SpondonBassed

[quote name='Norris' timestamp='1503770874' post='3360843'] As for the quality of modern tools, once upon a time we used to make stuff in Britain using quality steel. These days they are usually made in the far East as cheaply as possible. Premium quality tools are available but tend to cost premium prices. You get what you pay for. However with things like planes, as long as the body isn't cracked or the blade chipped, one made e.g. in the sixties is just as good as anything you can buy new today. It is after all a hunk of metal. Even some of the vintage wooden ones are still perfectly serviceable - it's a flat surface with a blade poking out [/quote] I just looked up "Sheffield Steel" and got a company in Ohio! [quote name='samhay' timestamp='1503775104' post='3360873'] A No. 4 is a good size for jointing using a shooting board. [/quote] Samhay's suggestion got me looking further; http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMadeTools/Setting%20Up%20and%20Using%20a%20Shooting%20Board4.html

[quote name='dlloyd' timestamp='1503775701' post='3360877'] I really have to address this. It's bullshit IMO. [/quote] Thanks for the sentiment. I stand by my words though. You have reinforced my opinion.

[quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1503752582' post='3360720'] ...TAB is no more EVIL than Notation is '[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]incomprehensible gibberish'...[/font][/color] [/quote] Thank you.

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[quote name='TCsBass' timestamp='1503707071' post='3360504'] Humour... an Earth concept. It... is... not logical, Jim! [/quote] It's spelling Jim but not as we know it in Milwaukee.

I think you need to accept that having a stalker or two is a milestone in your musical career. Well done Norris! How you cope now will determine how the rest of your career goes. No pressure. Heeheehee - Bunny boilers. First world problem or what?

[quote name='thepurpleblob' timestamp='1503748883' post='3360678'] Seeing as you answered my comment... that reads of "chip on the shoulder" frankly. I don't know why. I'm far from the best bass player in the world. You're almost certainly a more skilled bass player than me. Does that make you elite? I happen to be able to read notation due to the background I happen to have. I find it handy. Lucky me. Does it make me 'special' - no, I don't think so. [/quote] I didn't write it that way but you can take what you want from it. It was merely an answer to your comment so I see no need to be personal about it. I'll leave it there. Enjoy your weekend.

[quote name='Norris' timestamp='1503736077' post='3360579'] ...Unfortunately old planes are collectors items too. I was lucky enough to pick up an old Stanley jack plane that someone had spent ages reconditioning and repainting - killing its collectable value in the process It's a lovely thing to work with having sharpened the blade [/quote] Fortunately I have all of my granddad's and my dad's woodworking tools still. I am neither a collector nor a speculator so it's a win win situation for me, liking hand tools as I do. I like machine tools as well you understand but it's hard to put any soul into your work using them.

[quote name='thepurpleblob' timestamp='1503736238' post='3360581'] I learned to read notation at school when I was about 9. I then played percussion in brass bands of all things where reading was pretty much a necessity. I've no recollection of ever finding it particularly difficult. Sight reading on the other hand is something else... it comes through a lot of experience as you don't have time to *think*. If I have to write out a bass part then it feels natural to use notation. Reading notation is just a handy skill and closes some things off to you if you can't do it but it's no more elitist than being able to play slap (I can't!). If you don't have time or don't care then no big deal. Like many things, if you *really* need it then you'll know. [/quote] [b]Elite[/b] Definitions n. A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status: "In addition to notions of social equality there was much emphasis on the role of elites and of heroes within them” ( Times Literary Supplement).[list] [*]n. The best or most skilled members of a group. [*]adj. Of high birth or social position; aristocratic or patrician. [*]adj. Representing the choicest or most select of a group. [*]n. A special group or social class of people which have a superior intellectual, social or economic status as, the elite of society. [*]n. Someone who is among the best at certain task. [/list] It always makes me wonder how intelligent people forget that they are intelligent and that not everyone can or indeed wants to reach the heights of intellectual achievement that they have. For clever folk it is an especially small minded way of looking at life. Don't you think? I can read and write to a standard that suits my needs. There is no need to force me to learn an abstract system like score. It is NOT intuitive.

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[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1503703270' post='3360487'] So bearing in mind that reading rhythm is the hardest part of learning to sight-read, why not just go that little bit further and learn what the notes are on the stave?... [/quote] [quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1503730982' post='3360539'] I use dots for study, for composing and for writing out charts for others to perform. I rarely read on a gig but can if I need to. Reading takes me to places I may not otherwise go. TAB is not something I have used in decades. Feels like a toy to me when compared to dots. Reading let's me interpret the music of others who may not be writing for my chosen instruments. To quote Marcus Miller: 'why wouldn't you'? [/quote] In answer to both: Because score is incomprehensible gibberish frankly.

[quote name='TCsBass' timestamp='1503702124' post='3360482'] I'll give you an example... I recently flew to Seattle for a recording session and I could read fluently, whereas the guitarist was writing patterns of tab out ad infinitum. My tracks were done in a day and a half. I had three lovely days free to explore Washington State while the guitarist was still p*****g around. The simple difference was that I could sight read the parts and understand what the artist wanted there and then and didn't need to memorise anything. So I'm not pooh-pooing tablature at all, merely stating a practical fact. People can do things whichever way and however they want to. I'm just lucky that I'm a classically trained musician, which gives me a massive advantage. [/quote] I will say again. I am not interested in arrangements or writing. I don't need score. Tab works well for me in comparison. Your example is all very well but it is a situation that I will never encounter. I will therefore not be joining the elite any time soon.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1503688639' post='3360362'] Just to show what the subject is, here's a BB King to play around with... [attachment=252123:TheThrillIsGone.pdf] (Download and change file name to 'TheThrillIsGone.pdf'...) It looks like this ... ... but complete, of course. Purists won't be able to figure it out, maybe (although they could learn..?), but some of you might appreciate it. Just sayin'. [/quote] That's fine by me.

[quote name='The Jaywalker' timestamp='1503651608' post='3359906'] No, it couldnt. Categorically. TAB cannot be given to musicians as a notated part they are expected to perform in the manner of standard notation. Thats one if the most ridiculous notions I've ever heard. Standard notation doesnt use Latin terms. Annotations are common practice in arranging. Always have been. Jazzers do not use the Nashville numbers system. A "Tab Score" is a non-existent entity; score being the collated parts of a complete ensemble arrangement presented as a single entity on multiple staves. (Caveat - I could be wrong here: perhaps piano/keys, drum, sax, trumpet, violin etc TAB also exists....erm...) As previously intimated, giving someone a TAB "part" is never legitimate. TAB is both unfit - and unintended for - this purpose. I'm glad you weren't "attacking dots" given the lack of knowledge displayed. Thats the issue here. A deep dislike of musical learning and any (perceived) hint that A may be better than B. "there's only one true path" grates..." Unfortunately, this isnt a matter of opinion. I don't do snowflake BS where everyone has a right to an equally valid opinion. You're wrong. Why not follow your own advice and "just accept tab for what it does; limited, certainly, but fit for purpose for many musicians the world over..?" - ie, advice on where to put your fingers on a tune one is familiar with or listening to - rather than espousing uninformed and unreasoned arguments about its potential equal validity with standard notation because folks are somehow oppressing you with their different (valid and informed) opinions. [/quote] OTT This is what puts folk off score.

[quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1503661657' post='3360059'] I remember no such promise ever by anyone. Where does that come from?... [/quote] BBC science programs mainly.

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1503649197' post='3359884'] Quite amazing that someone has put time, some thought (ok not much) and effort into that! [/quote] Not wanting to distract from the real build in this topic but I want to know the back story to that. I suppose that's the attraction for relics right there. The relic look is not something I'd pay for but it's hooky none the less. Then, I'd never pay for pre-washed, worn look jeans either. I get enjoyment out of actually wearing out jeans from new. Same with my basses. I'd feel I was cheating otherwise. I fully support projects like Bridghouse's P builds "next door" having said all of that. I have to admire the amount of care that goes into looking like nobody cared that much. 'Nuff OT chatter. I'm going back to twiddling my thumbs whilst waiting to see Luke's latest photos.

I can advise you on getting full contact at the mating surfaces. PM me if you are interested. Sanding is not good for keeping surfaces flat and it might be why you are seeing the glue solidifying in a gap.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1503627331' post='3359809'] ... as could be done with tab, could it not..? Again, I'm not attacking dots, just suggesting that many folks use tab well (and many not...), and it's not always necessary nor useful to learn Latin terms for many modern idioms that will have to be written up as annotations in any case. If jazzers can get by with just a few scribbled Nashville numbers, surely a tab score could be accepted as being sometimes, at least, legitimate..? It's the 'there is only one true path' that grates. As has been admitted already, some annotations are diagrams, or coloured forms for certain compositions. Why not just accept tab for what it does; limited, certainly, but fit for purpose for many musicians the world over..? [/quote] I [i]am[/i] attacking dots as a sight impaired player. Dots are THE problem, not the ledger lines and not the tails. You probably look at a dot and see whether it is solid or empty, whether it is on a line or between lines, whether it has a sharp or a flat to take it out of the key signature for a moment. I see a blur sometimes. Other times I get a double image. Numbers are less ambiguous and I can read them a lot faster than the pre-school pace that score reduces me to. Score is a handicap for me. With score I have to sit down with a cup of tea and study like I was back in school. Knackers to that! I just want to get on and play. I am not the perpetual student. If I have offended anyone I am sorry. I say as I find.

[quote name='TCsBass' timestamp='1503618526' post='3359798'] Tablature isn't necessarily evil, but it does limit you as a player to one person's idea of fingerings and only one way of doing things... [/quote] Rubbish! You limit yourself. It isn't the tab's fault. You can get badly written score and all you know. I look at many sources of tab, not just one. I never rely on just one interpretation of a song. It would be daft to do so. Another point. All you folk who are poo-pooing tab because it has no meter are living in the past. Tab can be written with tails on the numbers just the same as you can with dots. Cuh! Sorry for unloading on you TCsBass but I see a lot of pretentious crap being said by die-hard score users so it is important to redress the balance. There is a choice of ways to read and write music and they both work. That is all.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1503608466' post='3359714'] If it works as you want, there is absolutely no reason to update any computer software. If the applications you are using don't run under the next version of the operating system then [b]DON'T UPDATE IT[/b]. I still run Logic 9 under El Capitan. Both do everything In need, and therefore I see no reason to muck about with updates to either. [/quote] I agree. It's not always in the consumer's interest to update. Of course no-one will back you up if you don't but it is always your choice. Keeping a machine or two offline always is a good way of managing the risks of using older yet perfectly good software. You have to keep your older hardware though. Also, you have to work without a network. It isn't difficult like the waftier wifi bunnies would have you believe. I say this having the luxury of space to use it all. You may not have that luxury so you get my sympathy as poor consolation.

One of the promises that was made to our generation when PCs were being pushed at the consumer in general was [i]backward compatibility[/i] to prevent just this sort of thing. That promise was a pie crust to launch a major sales drive getting folk to buy a chunk of IT pie for the first time. Maybe that promise was an idealistic claim to start with but it was a significant selling point for IT. It helped to persuade people into hardware ownership. Lots of companies were giving out loans to put customers on their books. You have to remember that the costs of IT ownership were huge to start with. My first IT system cost in the region of three thousand pounds when all of the licensing was added up! From there dependency on IT systems developed amongst the population at large. When it was demonstrated that people would fork out time and time again for the same stuff, the concept of backwards compatibility was lost forever. To suggest that it's part of the business model to make customers pay twice for the same product is difficult to prove however. We all know it happens but what part of the whole industry can you actually point a finger of blame at? Most of the blame lies with consumers for going along with it. The industry is just supplying a demand from its customer base. BTW, MS users are quite used to this. Why would Apple developers not want to compete on the same terms? It's the way of commerce.

It's nice not to have to drop D for those odd numbers and Stevie Wonder lines are just not the same unless played in Eb. The low B on this build makes me smile. Much more meat in the lower notes than my Steiny five. You'll like yours I reckon.

Car crash chic. Where did you find that specimen?

Cool. It's a player then? Looking at search images it looks similar to mine in that it has four pots and two humbuckers.

No need. I didn't even have to buzz the wires. It occurred to me that the hot wire to the plug might not belong on the "short pin" quoted in the wiring instructions so I swapped it. It's a passive bass so I am not sure why it was supplied with a stereo jack socket. Also, it is the barrel type where you can't tell which tag is which contact easily. That fixed I had a noisy connection that seemed to be due to the plug going a bit further into the socket than it likes. I fixed that temporarily by using a washer as a spacer. I will upgrade that to a good quality purpose made socket soon. It tuned well and after I played one song I had to change those ruddy awful strings because they had gone beyond just giving me the ache. The D'Addarios are nicer but for one dead string in the set. Strange because it was a factory sealed packet. I am not that fussy because they will all sound like that with use eventually and the dead one sounds fine despite not having the top-end twang. I ain't that sort of slapper so it makes no odds. The odd thing was that the D'addario low B would not fit the bridge hole for the last inch where the windings are thickest. The seemingly heavier roundwounds were fine. Looking closely, it was just a couple of windings that were oversize. I opened out the low B bridge hole by about a quarter mil and it was fine. This photo is essentially the same as the previous one except that it has new strings and it works. I will see if I can get a sound bite up somehow.