Frank Blank

I kind of oscillated between laughing like a drain and feeling almost tearfully sad for the twins, very odd.

2 minutes ago, Jack said:

QSC K12.2 - cheapest, lightest, great dsp, flexibility to plug straight in, probably the weakest-sounding.

If the K12.2 is the weakest sounding then the RCFs must be like Möterhead-in-a-box!

1 hour ago, Delberthot said:

The way I have taken it is that the RCF 735 & 745 are superior but maybe more than is required for what we are looking to use it for. The QSC K10.2 is plenty enough to be gigging with as a bass monitor but the K12.2 gives you a bit more headroom just in case

I think this sums it up concisely.

How come I’m still envious of this despite having ‘gone all FRFR’? Is that GAS?

On 26/12/2018 at 12:07, Jack said:

So I'm after a wedge. K12.2 or one of the RCF models? Ids for a loudish band (5 piece pub rock) with pa support often but not always, in this band I normally use one barefaced fr800.

I can only speak for the K12.2, although I got the feeling whilst reading the whole of this thread that the RCFs are superior to the QSCs, I’m sure @CameronJ and @stingrayPete1977 will be along to sing their praises forthwith. As @jrixn1 says I like the QSC because it has a more complicated panel and the ‘scenes’ are useful to me too. I also like the fact that it has a bass amp preset. Not very technically I also much prefer the look of the QSC. I bought mine from PMT who advertised the K12.2 with a free tote bag but I’ve yet to see it as it didn’t arrive with one.

5 hours ago, Bridgehouse said:

Does this make me the “FRFRFather”?

I think it does Don @Bridgehouse. How’s the olive oil business?

5 minutes ago, Mike said:

Well, here it is, with Sadowsky Preamp and ramp. Really like it - can't wait to gig with it! Happy Christmas to me!  

 

And happy Christmas to everyone here!

Lord above! Happy Xmas Sir.

9 minutes ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

Thanks. Just read the first couple of posts and still none the wiser. 

I think I’m quoting another BassChatter here when I say it seems to have a couple of meanings to different people but to me (and do excus e my not very technical lay-person’s explanation here) it is about traditional bass amps and cabs having a very ‘coloured’ output, so you might want a truer idea of what your instrument really sounds like without the ‘colour’. Some powered PA speakers give such a ‘colourless’ sound, if not completely ‘colourless’ then close, certainly closer than a traditional amp/cab setup. Also, once you start exploring this avenue you might (or might not) be persuaded that actually such a powered PA speaker might be able to completely replace an amp/cab rig. I have done this recently and I’m not going back. Like @Bridgehouse, I now play my bass through a preamp into a powered PA speaker and when I gig I send a DI from the PA speaker to the desk. The forty pages of discussion on the Interesting FRFR thread has radically changed my approach to amplification in all scenarios, a complete game changer for me.

3 minutes ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

What's FRFR? 

Full Range Flat Response, see...

@CameronJ & @lemmywinks. Have just sat down for a more educated hours playing through the Fishman into the K12.2 using the Bass Amp preset and at Instrument level. It sounds great, I think I was just freaked out initially by just how loud it was so I was assuming I’d got it on an incorrect setting.

Oh yes, just sat down for an hour playing through the new rig, it is glorious.

@lemmywinks I just noticed the Catbus on your icon, good move.

16 minutes ago, lemmywinks said:

I use the instrument level input on the QSC K10.2 from the amp output on the Fishman, works fine for me. 

Thank you Sir.

40 minutes ago, CameronJ said:

Ah, you’re referring to the 1/4” amp output then, which will be at instrument level.

Cheers dude.

Fishman output is -∞ to +6dBV 1k Ohms

11 minutes ago, AndyTravis said:

Need to catch this

You so do.

1 hour ago, CameronJ said:

@Delberthot, this is what I found in the BDI21’s manual. If you’re using the 1/4” output then set your QSC to accept instrument level 

Jesus, they do say RTFM. This is from the QSC K12.2 manual...

...so if passive instruments go into the Instrument input I’m assuming that active instruments or the output from my Fishman pre amp (with either an active or passive instrument inputting it) go into the Line input?

20 minutes ago, Delberthot said:

K12.2 it is then.

Welcome to the dark side...

I too am wondering about the line/instrument level, looking forward to someone far more technically knowledgeable to enlighten me.

Hey Paul *waves*

4 minutes ago, upside downer said:

Thought it was going to be an unjustly earnest look at their success. Now I know it's full of of schadenfreude I'll watch it on Catch Up.

I thought it was a Christopher Guest film...

Just finished, catch it on iPlayer. Quite the most hilarious thing I’ve seen for ages.

That is glorious...

Seriously, is anyone watching the Bros documentary on BBC4 at the moment. It is absolute hilarity gold, really, seriously, tune in.

It just has very serious look that says “I am capable of knocking down buildings”.

4 minutes ago, Bridgehouse said:

Rock and roll well and truly rescued. My back, is however, ruined. 

As are my windows, radiators, furniture and anything else that rattles. 

I really am now a sad parody of myself

As much as the FRFR solution is (imho) very much about hearing one’s instrument without the colour certain amps and cabs give to it, for me the weight and size issue was hugely important. The K12.2 rattles my house just nicely! I think you are being wise not putting all your eggs in one basket.

3 minutes ago, Bridgehouse said:

Hope you had a few fingers covering your eyes before you looked

I looked. It reminds me of a rig I used in a thrash band I was in. There is a hugely heavy Acoustic (as in the make) head and cab at one of the venues I play at that I deeply covet, if I thought they’d sell it to me I’d buy it in a heartbeat, but, I don’t think I’d use it if I got it home, nonetheless, for some reason, I still want it.