SteveK

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1412514003' post='2569467'] I could be wrong, but I can imagine Eagles fans pay to hear the songs as they are recorded and would be put out if this were not the case... [/quote] You may well be right, and I'm prepared to accept that I [b]may[/b] be in the minority... But, I have a personal dislike of being hoodwinked - I don't like being sold (if I were a ticket buying punter) something that it is not, and the word "integrity" comes to mind.

Nothing wrong with mistakes! In fact, I long for the "good ol' days" when you could hear a guitarist [i]not quite[/i] making the phrase, or a vocalist [i]not quite[/i] hitting the note, the odd dodgy drum fill... that's what made music exciting - the feeling that you were getting a performance... something unique! Played with The Eagles earlier this year - I was looking forward to seeing and hearing the legends. They came on stage and sounded awesome, guitars, voices, the whole thing sounded perfect... in fact, a little too perfect! Later in the evening I was told by "someone in the know" virtually all the show was "playback"!.. very sad! Just to carry on with the name dropping: We played on the bill with The Who in Vienna a few years ago... they totally cocked up My Generation

[quote name='ironside1966' timestamp='1412369390' post='2568412'] If that was with Hazel O'Connor I had that LP, a talented lady IMHO [/quote] Indeed, it was!

[quote name='Annoying Twit' timestamp='1412254213' post='2567175'] I've just remembered that I had an interesting brief email exchange with Tony Visconti. However, it was about his production work, not his bass playing. [/quote] Spent a few weeks recording an album with Tony Visconti in 1981. What that man doesn't know about producing records aint worth knowing, a man that knows how to get the best from a musician. As in all walks of life... you get the good guys, and then you get the ar****les

[quote name='IzzyT2807' timestamp='1411993758' post='2564595'] I totally get the whole feel thing... problem is everyone has their own [/quote] Which is one of the reasons some rhythm sections work better than others.

Just someone entering in to the spirit of the occasion! I would've thought, having someone shout "w***er" at (pseudo) Mr Sting throughout the evening just adds to the authenticity of the event. Maybe now's the right time to go solo, hook up with a few fusion heavyweights and record the multi-platinum album.

[quote name='police squad' timestamp='1411919885' post='2563886'] should I do these remaining gigs. I think I should [/quote] Yes, you should... or, at least till they've found a replacement - IMO the band have done nothing wrong - you've effectively quit - you should give them reasonable notice - end of the year is fair.

Anyone who's interested, here's the isolated bass track [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAahWxWIS9o#t=89[/media]

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1411901194' post='2563628'] Well, that is an opinion.. I'd say neither of them would have gotten a gig anywhere else.. [/quote] You little scamp! I don't think you really believe that, do you?

[quote name='police squad' timestamp='1411895666' post='2563535'] But should he have told me? [/quote] Maybe, or maybe not - they know better than anyone here how you might have reacted having been told. Had they told you, you may well have again thrown your "toys out of the pram" and left them in the the lurch. They're understandably covering their backs. You're not interested anyway, so what's the problem?

Yep, me too!

Played with (and consequently, seen) Toto many times over the years, and become "on the road" buddies... don't recall hearing them do this one live though - great stuff! Good to see Mike Porcaro.

[quote name='tom1946' timestamp='1411842566' post='2563266'] Steve, you posted just before I did, that looks good, I don't have phono in to the amp, just left and right minijacks.... [/quote] Yes, sorry, without phono amp inputs, the box I linked to wouldn't be of any use.

[url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Digital-Analogue-Stereo-Converter/dp/B002AKXG5E/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1411841837&sr=1-1&keywords=LINDY+SPDIF+Digital+to+Analogue+Stereo+Audio+Converter"]This could be what you want[/url] I've used one for the last year or so - works very well!

The Who... in all their glorious, scrappy, untogetherness - Great stuff! Their scrappy untogetherness added to the excitement and magic of The Who... If you or I, or most any other musician were as scrappy, by design or accident, it would sound... well... crap! Funny ol' thing... music!

It was the COMBINATION of Townshend, Daltrey, Entwistle and Moon that made The Who one of the greatest, most exciting rock bands ever. Entwistle and Moon's contribution in terms of sheer musical abandonment was invaluable and [u]is[/u] irreplaceable. Nobody else, however great the musicianship, would be right for The Who. Thought Be Lucky was ok though... while it was obviously Townshend and Daltrey, it kind of reminded me of XTC

I don't know what happened... I posted once, it appeared twice, I delete one, both posts disappear. Maybe a mod can un hide one. [quote name='sellisnba' timestamp='1411405286' post='2559211'] It was my guitar tutor at the time. [/quote] He was wrong.

[quote name='GrammeFriday' timestamp='1410287510' post='2547890'] What, like Kiss? Did Kiss show exceptional ability on their instruments? Nope. Were they able to write stand-out songs? Can't think of a single song title. Did they have something interesting to say musically? Oh, please! [/quote] I know very little of Kiss, other than their make-up and lively shows and I guess that you're not a fan either ... but ok, maybe I should have added "presentation", but you do get my drift, right? IAC I did say "Generally speaking".

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1410278405' post='2547764'] Does it actually matter if no one can make a living out of creating music as long as the music is created in the first place? [/quote] Absolutely it matters! Do you think the classic albums, or any popular albums of the last 50 years would have been created if those musicians worked on their music in their spare time? The world would be a very different place, and most likely sadder, if, at least some musicians couldn't make a living from their chosen profession. BTW I'm not too sure that I understand your meaning of "democratised music scene". Music [b]is[/b], or [b]was[/b], as far as I'm concerned "democratised". Generally speaking, if you show/ed exceptional ability on your instrument, were able to write stand-out songs, or had something interesting to say musically, then you would get on further than someone who failed in all those... if you've got it, you'll get on! If you haven't, you won't! I certainly wouldn't call that undemocratic.

I think he's absolutely right! I consider myself lucky to have lived through an age where music meant [b]so much[/b] to [b]so many[/b] people.

[quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1407941410' post='2525552'] I don't see any downside to jamming, as long as everyone is listening and reacting to each other. The problem for me is when it becomes a stagnant one chord vamp or Blues which is purely for a guitar player to solo over. Sound familiar? The jams I enjoy most are the ones that start off with a form and start moving around as everyone reacts to one an other and takes it to another place. Playing the stock arrangement of Saw Her Standing There with different people isn't really a jam unless it naturally evolves into something else, as far as I'm concerned, because rarely there are any jam qualities-everyone is usually playing their part the same way that they always have. That's why I prefer a Jazz jam....they can open up into a more reactionary situation where you have to listen intently rather than playing stock parts. [/quote] "listening and reacting to each other" is something that can be learnt. I would fully expect a young musicians early experience in jamming to be a musically basic affair. There's a lot to be learnt from a "one chord vamp or Blues", providing all involved are enthusiastic and perhaps of a similar standard. Of course, the more interesting jams come with knowledge and experience, where a musician is able to steer a jam. Some of the most exciting music I've heard has been from a bunch of guys jamming.

Difficult to see what the downside could possibly be!

Jamming is an invaluable passtime for a serious musician, particularly in their early formative years. You can practice all you like in your bedroom, but getting together with other musicians and putting what you've learned to the test and hearing it in some kind of context is hugely beneficial - it focuses the mind. My guess is that many of those that say, "I don't do jamming" are actually inhibited and scared of making a fool of themselves. It can be great fun and, as I said, hugely beneficial.

[quote name='gadgie' timestamp='1407627014' post='2522510'] Who knows this might have been the first big gig the couple went to etc etc. However, what's the saying....two wrongs don't make it right. [/quote]First big gig or not, the only possible mitigation I can see is if the couple didn't speak English, having been asked a number of times to stop. It would appear from the reported eruption of cheers from the audience that the second "wrong" did indeed make it "right".

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1407614961' post='2522393'] Frankly, I'd have bent the punter over and shoved the phone roughly up his chocolate starfish but I suppose that would be a criminal offence rather than a civil matter and we can't have that, oh no. [color=#ffffff].[/color] [/quote]You da man! You buy a Peter Frampton ticket (or any artist), you gain access to HIS turf! And, if you don't abide by his rules (published Ts&Cs), you suffer the consequences! The guy was a little sh*t, but maybe the little sh*t has the law on his side... 'tis often so! Doesn't make him less of a sh*t though.