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I think we have to ask, what makes a player choose a fretless bass over a fretted bass?

[quote name='cetera' post='1302888' date='Jul 13 2011, 09:24 PM']Hope to make it to this again![/quote] Excellent! So that's two of us who will turn up in ladies clothes and make up

[quote name='BottomEndian' post='1302895' date='Jul 13 2011, 09:32 PM']Absolutely. It's a gem. For those who don't know, it's one of Zappa's experiments with what he called "xenochronicity": elements of music taken from different places and points in time, and layered together to create a new construction. In this case, the drums and bass were recorded on completely separate occasions, for utterly different purposes. Zappa happened to try playing them together, and it worked. By 'eck, it really worked.[/quote] S'right! Patrick O'Hearn largely improvised it too, with Zappa directing him while he recorded it.

[quote name='lowdown' post='1302824' date='Jul 13 2011, 08:26 PM']Marcus Miller seems to get overlooked on the Fretless front - but well worth a listen. Also an English guy called Dave Harvey who has fantastic six string Fretless chops. [but he is also great at da groove ting] I have not seen Dave for about 15 years, but it seems he is still lurking about. Plenty of other stuff with Dave knocking around on Youtube. [Might be under David Harvey] Garry[/quote] Funny, this is EXACTLY what Jeff Berlin is talking about! I'm not disrespecting Dave Harvey, but all the cliches are there within 30 seconds.

I bet some nutter mentions Alain Caron My nomination is Patrick O'Hearn.

[quote name='ShergoldSnickers' post='1302760' date='Jul 13 2011, 07:31 PM']A life's worth of bass playing destroyed in 250kb.[/quote] Had they managed another 73kb and included his footwear, the word 'destroyed' becomes [b]obliterated[/b].

[quote name='Jerry_B' post='1302756' date='Jul 13 2011, 07:29 PM']Never heard of it. Although, listening to it an knowing it's a Zappa thing, can I ask if it's not actually piss-take or not...?[/quote] It is not, in any way, a piss-take.

[quote name='JTUK' post='1302657' date='Jul 13 2011, 06:07 PM']Personally I don't think you should pactice things at all... but you should have your chops up to a level that it all flows. For that you will need a [b]PRACTICE[/b] regime.[/quote] Sorted

Does anyone think Patrick O'Hearn sounds like Jaco? Rubber Shirt is the one you'll all have heard.

[quote name='icastle' post='1301850' date='Jul 13 2011, 03:05 AM']I will personally hunt down and sing sea shanties at the first person who puts THAT video up again... [/quote] I love sea shanties. Check out The Keelers, George Unthank's north east group who sing shanties and pit songs. Beautiful stuff.

[quote name='Grand Wazoo' post='1296605' date='Jul 7 2011, 11:18 PM']Did you hear it from this lot, perchance? [/quote] Is that the Talkbass membership?

[quote name='ToneDeluxe' post='1301558' date='Jul 12 2011, 08:24 PM']practice and understanding.. [b]talent comes from mental and physical understanding[/b]... the patience is in the practice[/quote] I tend to agree with this, but it's also the desire to understand and make connections with oneself and others. I don't think any great level of technical ability beyond the basics is necessary to communicate through music. But there is a lot of snobbery about with musicians. I think Paul Simonon is a great communicator on the bass, the things he says on the bass completely dwarf his technical ability. But he knows how to pick up on the ethereal things that music is really about. It's next to impossible to practice that.

[quote name='E sharp' post='1301507' date='Jul 12 2011, 07:56 PM']I can see where he's coming from ...... to a degree . He's stated in another interview that Jaco's impact was so great on fretless , that every other player was deemed to be compared to him , whether by design or not . I quite like Jeff . I don't always agree with the stuff he sprouts out , nor do I go a lot on his music , but he says it as he sees it . In a similar forthright way that Anthony Jackson sometimes does , or even Scott Thunes . He admitted Jack Bruce as being a non Jaco clone , with his 'fart' bass sound . As others have said - Mick Karn was unique . I can hear an influence with John Giblin , but I'd say he's a far more 'rounded player' that Jaco ever was . Like any chosen instument , sometimes the differences can be subtle from player to player , and with fretless the sound IS quite unique . I think he's playing Devils advocate here , as he always does . Probably best not to listen to the guy . Which is shame , because what he has to impart to Bass players , always seems to be drowned out by this sort on nonsense .[/quote] Scott's opinions are fairly mild and non-contentious in comparison with Jeff! I can't help liking Jeff for some reason, and I loved his columns in Guitar Player back in the day. He does say some really stupid things though, but he is the catalyst for debate and self analysis, and he challenges the mindless conventions we are almost all slave to.

[quote name='Machines' post='1301312' date='Jul 12 2011, 05:10 PM']It's all lies.[/quote] Not ALL of it mate, come on! Hello TD, it's a lovely forum! Especially if you have a big mouth and an even bigger wallet (I've only got the former )

Been playing guitar for over 30 years but picked up the bass too about 20 years ago so I could record stuff on my four track. I love drums and percussion too, but I can only fake it on those. I feel like I'm beyond caring what instrument I'm playing, I just love playing. No real low points other than a constant deep-seated and unavoidable penchant for harsh self criticism. High points are that I have played with and currently play for some fabulous professional musicians and developing artists who make me very proud. I am very very lucky!

I don't think practice [without the talent and need to communicate through the medium of music] will do much without learning guidance, listening to the great music, playing with and learning to empathise with other musicians, surrounding yourself with talent, and most importantly, a deep deep love for music - like you would shrivel and die without it. You need it all. The object of music is communication. I think people need that spark in them that makes music the best way for them to communicate.

He's right about Alain Caron though, isn't he.

He's just being a twat. Ignore him. He only does this to get publicity for his horrible new album of jazz standards. I do generally agree with this however [i]"They are all out of tune or they slide harmonics, or they play harmonics, or they slide notes. Nothing different here!"[/i]

[quote name='mcgraham' post='1300764' date='Jul 12 2011, 11:14 AM']So what would people like to [b]wear [/b]at the Bass Bash?[/quote] Fixed. Who would be up for a [b]Bass Players in Drag Competition[/b]? Turn up to the Bass Bash in drag, photos are uploaded here the next day, Mrs T chooses the winner.

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='1301128' date='Jul 12 2011, 03:11 PM']Indeed. The antonym is 'nowt'. Imagine , if you will, two unsuccessful anglers: A: Caught owt? B: Nowt.[/quote] Indeed, said both many a time. 'Caught owt? Caught nowt! D'yer fancy a stowt? Aye, your showt!

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[quote name='Blademan_98' post='1299021' date='Jul 10 2011, 03:20 PM']Thanks for that great description. I have been looking at these and was wondering if they are worth the money? I need to have a go on one but you have given me an good insight into it's worth Thanks again, Blademan[/quote] My pleasure

[quote name='Beedster' post='1300190' date='Jul 11 2011, 07:11 PM']I reckon if Jeremy Clarkson played bass, he'd acknowledge the many superior qualities of the Yamaha, but he'd own a Ric [/quote] Brilliant! Wonderfully thought And I think you're right! As well as comparing a Fender Jazz to a Nissan Micra

[quote name='bassman2790' post='1296623' date='Jul 7 2011, 11:31 PM']This may sound sacrilegious to the fans of the Rickenbacker 4003 (of which there are many I'm sure), but I'm giving serious thought to selling my almost new Midnight Blue 4003. Why? Apart from the fact that the I haven't been able to play it much since the string grooves in the nut have been cut too shallow making playing anywhere below the 5th fret a real finger-aching exercise, I can't say I'm blown away by either the quality or the sound. I've been hankering after one since the 80's and now I've got one, I feel a bit disappointed. It's actually made me appreciate just how good my BB414, which cost one tenth of the price of the Ric, really is. I have some nut files slowly making their way across the Atlantic and I'm sure that once the nut and the action have been sorted, it will play like a dream and I hope I'll be able to rekindle the relationship between us. Watch this space (or rather the Basses For Sale forum )[/quote] My mate bought a Jetglo 4003 new about 10 years ago. He took it to Chandlers for a set up recently, who took £60 off him and returned it to him in a state so sh*t that the G fell off the side off the neck whenever either of us tried to play it. I told him to take it to Martin Petersen at the Bass Gallery in London, which we did together as it was a damn good excuse for a visit. Martin said he thought it needed a new nut and a proper set up. A few weeks later he picked it up and said it's by far the best it's ever played, I've also played it and I concur, it plays REALLY well now, lovely! I could even very remotely imagine owning a Rick after playing it, apart from the stupid pickup cover