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[quote name='Fat Rich' post='1278331' date='Jun 22 2011, 11:29 AM']I don't really miss playing the extra frets but I find it a bit disorientating going between Fender and 2 octave necks, I sometimes slide to the wrong fret at the dusty end if I don't concentrate.[/quote] Even the lower ones. I did a gig a couple of months ago where I'd been playing a Jazz but took my 24 fret Warwick to the gig. I kept playing A instead of G on the E string. I sold the Jazz.

[quote name='MarshallBTB' post='1278270' date='Jun 22 2011, 10:45 AM']Thinking about getting a new bass, really like the look of a yamaha bb 5 string or a fender 5 string of some kind. Only thing is that I have always had 24-frets, does anyone going from 24 to 20/21 miss the extra high notes? I know its not the most used part of the neck, but I like having it there when i need it. Any thoughts?[/quote] Yes, me. I sold my Warwicks and bought the most gorgeous Fender Jazz. I sold it two months later and got another bass with 24 frets and a D-tuner. I need 24 frets for some things I do. Also, the neck position on the strap is very different between the two quite often so consequently the feel is very different.

Wunjo's S/H stuff is almost always ludicrously overpiced. They are friendly though, well of course they are

Jake, do you know WHY you want a Precision? Or was it just a magickal thing when you played some in the shop? Knowing you at least a little bit, I might suggest you borrow one you like on approval before buying, and use it on some gigs and/or recording sessions. I think, quite often, an instrument can delight in isolation, only to find it doesn't work for you in an ensemble situation.

[quote name='largo' post='1278243' date='Jun 22 2011, 10:28 AM']It's all to do with the ergonomics of the fretting hand vs the plucking hand. There was an article somewhere (probably some medical journal) that said by creating an offset between the top & bottom strings on a fretboard it reduces the risk of RSI and Carpal Tunnel in Bass players. It was also scientifically proven that you could play faster & longer with your bass setup this way. A little bit like Dingwall with their fanned fret system. It might not look nice, but scientifically Lakland's make you a better bass player whereas Sadowsky's do the opposite. I guess nobody's forcing anybody to buy these, but the facts speak for themselves.[/quote] That sounds like rubbish. Highly unlikely to be from a medical journal.

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[quote name='Bilbo' post='1277643' date='Jun 21 2011, 08:16 PM']I just don't get it. If anything is self indulgent and has no audience, there will be no gigs, no recordings, no videos....etc. If Steve Howe had an audience that consisted solely of Jon Anderson, Bill Bruford, Rick Wakeman and Chris Squire, then he was not self indulgent. The fact that a zillion people also bought the records and went to the gigs is just further evidence that it was not self indulgence. It was a product, it had an audience. As for the 'students only liked it because their mates did' argument, the same could readily be said about any form of entertainment. Its all about communication. If Coltrane's 20 minute solo communicates to 1 person, it has purpose. Self indulgence is booking a venue to play to an empty room, making a video of yourself that noone else ever sees, recording your own stuff at home and never playing it to anyone. [b]If it gets you one gig, sells one download or one ticket, or even if it is watched once on Youtube, it immediately ceases to be self indulgent. Even if the only person who likes it is your old Mum, its worth it.[/b] So can we leave the term out of criticism, please. Its meaningless.[/quote] Yes yes, we have already established it is called [b]non-self indulgence[/b].

[quote name='ZMech' post='1277632' date='Jun 21 2011, 08:08 PM']I've though it myself when listening to Jimmy Page's 30 minute bowed guitar solo on their live album. As much as I love led zep, that did drag on and seem self indulgent to me, but I guess there must have been some audience members who were in awe for the whole duration, which would prove me wrong.[/quote] I always loved that album, but detested that side.

[quote name='RhysP' post='1277608' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:58 PM']That doesn't necessarily mean you've got reasonable taste - it could mean that someone else has got taste as bad as you. [/quote]

[quote name='Bilbo' post='1277508' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:09 PM'] [/quote] Please stop posting these Alain Caron clips mate.

[quote name='Conan' post='1277593' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:52 PM']I like music and I like playing bass. OK, I [i]love[/i] playing bass. If I do something that I like, I am indulging myself. Indeed, it could be said that I was being "self indulgent". However, if at least one person in the band, or, (God-forbid) "audience" likes what I am doing; then am I not also indulging [b]them[/b]? Mutual self indulgence. Can such a concept exist? Or do the two "selfs" (sic) cancel each other out and it simply becomes indulgence? Maybe the answer is for us to only do things that we [i]don't[/i] like. Then we could never be described as self-indulgent. [b]But then we are indulging someone else[/b]. Whom, I neither know nor care. I like to think that I have a reasonable taste in music. So if [i]I[/i] like something, chances are that someone else will. Good enough for me! Am I making sense here? [/quote] Non-self indulgence

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='1277505' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:05 PM']Guitar Village always used to have an annual 'Boss Gone Mad' sale. Do they still?[/quote] Yes, I still get the emails.

I don't even know why I've been defending her, what she played sounded like Alain Caron.

[quote name='Bilbo' post='1277576' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:41 PM']Is there an echo in here here?[/quote] There had better not be, such things are for Steve Hackett and Steve Howe, not proper non-self indulgent musicians like Steve Jones.

[quote name='Bilbo' post='1277564' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:36 PM']And what's wrong with spontaneity? [/quote] Too self indulgent.

[quote name='Beedster' post='1277534' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:22 PM']I think condemning an entire genre is questionable (especially one as problematic to define as 'punk', let's not forget that early Jazzers were considered punks by their more conventional peers). [b]But hey, pursuing that debate gets us back to matters of taste and to irreconcilable opinions, so it's another question probably best left alone [/b][/quote] The DEBATE is where it's at! Basschat would be a very dull (although very useful) wiki if it wasn't for these debates. The provocative views in these debates give me massive pause-for-thought inducement. I remember how argumentative I used to be. I used to jump in on these threads with the first thing that came into my head! Idiot.

[quote name='Dubs' post='1277469' date='Jun 21 2011, 06:35 PM']If you don't ask you don't get. With instruments in music shops, I always see the marked price as meaning "offers around", and sometimes it works. If you just ask "what's the best price on this?" you may be surprised...[/quote] Exactly what I did in Nevada Music with my Strat last week. Got £60 off and a free set of strings.

[quote name='SteveK' post='1277463' date='Jun 21 2011, 06:30 PM']I think it reasonable to say that a true musician/artist is one that isn't prepared to compromise, and I guess that would make them "self indulgent". Now, whether you like a particular artist's "self indulgence" or not, is up to the individual. Either way, it should be respected. [b]As for Punk? The worst thing that could possibly have happened to music. [/b][/quote] Not really, punk died a quick death and Rush are still here

[quote name='Marvin' post='1277460' date='Jun 21 2011, 06:27 PM']I'm more worried that WoT doesn't seem to be able to distinguish between a child's building brick and a fish. [/quote] Because it would be self indulgent to bother making the distinction?

I'm not sure I understand the point either! I understand that the more complex the music becomes and the more jazz and classically influenced, the more money, intellect and power the performers are believed to have by the angry punks and layabouts who like three out-of-tune chords and 'the truth', and it breeds grave resentment among the uncultured.

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='1277182' date='Jun 21 2011, 03:30 PM']You're wrong, of course. This kind of total travesty has never happened to me. Why? because every time I sit on the end of my bed and pick up my bass, I check my tuning. It's easy enough, red means out, green means in. I mean, she's a professional, she should know this. Red = out, green = in. Anyone who doesn't know this should be shot in the face before they get anywhere near a stage. When I saw this total travesty I immediately voided my bowels in disapproval. I mean, she's a professional. Her fee [i]could[/i] have paid for a new hospital. Or at least a paediatric unit. Basically she's just pissing in the face of dying children. I hope she comes on here and sees this and goes away and cuts her hands off so we never have to listen to this sort of total travesty again. Unbelievable. I mean, if she couldn't see the board for the sunshine, she should have signalled to the parasol roadie to get his arse over her side PDf***ingQ. I mean, she's a professional, ffs. It's a total travesty. Green = out, red = in. So simple, even a woman could understand it. God, I love Jaco.[/quote] as always!

[quote name='SteveK' post='1277002' date='Jun 21 2011, 01:17 PM'][b]Of course, sh*t happens - There are some things out of your control...tuning shouldn't be one of them.[/b]I have a great tech who I absolutely trust, who tunes immediately before I go on stage...doesn't stop me briefly stepping on my tuner before starting though. I've done hundreds of open air gigs, some where the sun is shining directly on to the stage - LEDs can be a problem, but it is get-roundable. Bottom line: People have paid good money to see/hear a show...they were short changed![/quote] My guess is that this sh*t happens only once in a blue moon for her. It happened to Jake fer chrissakes, and he's an amazing professional player and educator who's played in bands with Zappa's ex band members. All this sh*t can happen to all of us at some point.

[quote name='JMT3781' post='1276990' date='Jun 21 2011, 01:12 PM']lol, there was no sarcasm there, i meant if the bass was in tune, and the levels all correct, and the performers were all comfortable, there was great arrangement going on with the samples and other interesting parts that aren't on the record... Being a bit of an optimist i do like to see the good in things![/quote] We mean the reference to Crazy. Were you being serious?

[quote name='BottomE' post='1276976' date='Jun 21 2011, 01:02 PM']No, its not the same and thats my point. Me being out of tune might not have such an impact at the Twat and Buttplug. I am not playing to thousands, not that its about the numbers. We are talking about being in tune. Quite an important thing in a band situation for some of us. Its not like a hardware failure or amp or string snapping. Its being in tune. I bet she checks next time...[/quote] I knew you would say something like this. I think she's explained the situation well enough.

[quote name='markstuk' post='1276982' date='Jun 21 2011, 01:08 PM']My sides have split from laughing my a**e off :-)[/quote]