Al Krow

What's the low-end suck like on this one Dan?

She understood what it meant to be a covers artist, making great tracks her own.

Ah that's a generalisation. There's plenty of musicians who love playing great covers (me included) and who don't feel frustrated. And plenty of audiences who prefer listening to covers bands/booking them vs going to hear a relatively unknown originals band. Surely boredom/frustration can creep into any music if you're only playing a particular set over and over? The trick is to vary it up and keep things fresh. Do whatever you love doing.

Cheers - not come across too many folk using that one - looks like it's a serious bit of kit! Grateful if you could cover the key benefits of that unit over the GLXD / GLXD+ systems which would justify the additional spend?

Are you using a wireless set-up for your bass, Russ? If so, which one did you go for?

Ah that's fair enough. Some dongles give you best of both worlds eg the Nux 5.8Ghz, effectively allowing you to hinge into a right angle jack.

Ah that's interesting, why? I'm the opposite - really love the compact form factor of the dongle approach used by the Boss WL-20 and alternatives. No fuss: just plug and play and doesn't take up pedal board space.

Easily the most accomplished musician in our covers band is our female lead singer. She's a music grad with voice being her main instrument, musical theatre trained, grade 8 piano. A really lovely person to boot and super committed and hardworking. It's a privilege for us to have crossed paths with her, and I'm very grateful that she puts up with the rest of us relatively amateur blokes in the band! I'm sure there are equally talented and trained male lead vocalists out there. I don't think the comments about what sex or gender someone has are the least bit relevant; it's about individuals and what they bring to the party.

Would a Boss OC-5 (or a n other) octave pedal not get you there for a fraction of the cost? The OC-5 has a guitar mode.

Do you need line of sight with your Shure? Which model Shure is your sax player using which you're finding is dropping out?

@walshy you've got bags of large stage/audience live experience that most of us can't compare to. What is it about the Shure that makes it worth the extra coin and sets it apart from the competition? It's unfortunately not always the case that spending extra buys you extra though eg if you compare Shure IEM headphones to eg KZ ZS10 pros you can be spending 5x as much for a no better product (and many on the IEM thread would actually say the Shures are inferior) simply down to the brand name. And we all know that a £3k bass isn't necessarily going to be better than something costing significantly less!

Yup the Lekato WS-50 5.8GHz is also what I have. It seems to be fine with some basses / preamps e.g. my Spector Euro5LX / Tonepump and that seems to tie in with other folk's positive experience on this thread, but it does distort slightly or noticeably when I'm digging in with my two other gigging basses as also @BassAdder60 has found. So maybe a bit of luck of the draw on that one - and Amazon & being able to return it, if it doesn't, is a good way to find out. But if it hits the spot with your set up, at £47 that's a nice result! I may well keep mine just for back-up use with my Spector.

Still struggling with my WL-20 in terms of range at quite a few gigs. Seems to need line of sight (which ties in with @BassAdder60's comment above) and even then the range is often not great - just a few metres tops before it's cutting out. I also agree with the Lekato WS-50 adding a bit of distortion which actually can be noticeable depending on the bass and on the board pre its interacting with. So I guess my hope is currently being pinned on the Nux C5RC 5.8GHz which I need to try out at some forthcoming gigs. I've been tempted by the new Shure GLDX16+ but it's £spendy which might be ok if it did everything else brilliantly. I'd however recommend watching the following review before parting with £500+ on that system:

@peteb Hmmm...kinda amusing to find a post in which I find myself going both "yes, 100%!" and then in the next breath "oh really?!" : "There is a shortage of singers who can really deliver on stage, both male and female." YUP AGREED! "There is an added disadvantage for girls in that they tend to learn to drive later than guys..." WHAT ARE YOU BASING THIS STATEMENT ON? "There is also the added issue that performing music has always been tended to be a male dominated world throughout the ages, be it in a rock and roll band, a jazz ensemble, an orchestra or a medieval group of strolling players. Don't get me wrong, there have always been female musicians who have been successfully involved in playing music, but they have to have a 'one of the boys' attitude and to be able to hang to cut it in a band. If they are too girly or easily offended, then they've got no chance." SURE, THAT WAS TRUE HISTORICALLY AND MAYBE ALSO STILL TRUE IF THEY'RE FRONTING A MALE BAND. BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF VERY SUCCESSFUL GIRL GROUPS AND FEMALE SOLO STARS OUT THERE, IN FACT SOME OF THE BIGGEST ACTS ON THE PLANET RIGHT NOW ARE WOMEN. AND BEING "EASILY OFFENDED" ISN'T JUST LIMITED TO WOMEN IS IT? "What you need in a singer is someone who is a genuine musician, rather than just someone who happens to have a half-decent voice. This applies to both males and females..." AGREED! "...but it is undoubtedly rarer for girls." REALLY?! YOU CHECKED THE OUTPUT OF THE MAJOR MUSIC COLLEGES WHO ARE PRODUCING VERY TALENTED VOCALISTS AND MUSICIANS EACH YEAR? "Having said that, I have played in bands with several girl singers who do just fine..." YUP, WELL NO SURPISE THERE!

Appears to have a different set of sounds from the SY-1000 (and obviously the SY-200)? Its keys and horn emulation on guitar are frankly amazing. Liking the form factor too! Could see it being a lot of creative fun for originals bands. Dunno if there's going to be enough usable sounds for a covers band where the bass player needs to be providing the usual bass lines rather than wandering off into interesting and varied soundscapes, and getting glares from their bandmates.

I guess this thread is making me realise just how much I should be grateful for the excellent, committed female lead vox we have in our band and the privelege of being in the large and diverse talent pool that living in the big smoke, provides.

This looks amazing, certainly what it can do with a guitar! Be interested to find out a bit more about how useful / it sounds with bass (there's a short bass section at around 07:15 on the clip).

Cheers Tim. Actually there's a pretty low risk of bass guitar bleed via kick drum mic for us, as my bass is routed purely through FoH via the desk and we are using IEMs for monitoring. So I guess that gives us a little more freedom to go for a more "text book" approach.

@TimR - thanks. Our desk hpf kicks in at 100Hz and I also do have a Thumpinator available to use which has a steep cut of -24dB/octave from 28Hz to get rid of sub-sonic crud. Appreciate this maybe a bit of a side-track, but in terms of getting the kick drum & bass guitar to sit together nicely in the mix, I came across this from Sweetwater recently, which I found helpful and we've since been broadly following, to the extent allowed by our relatively unsophisticated desk 3 band EQ which is centred at bass: 60Hz, mids (var) 140Hz to 3 KHz and treble 12 KHz "A common trick to getting a unified sound between kick and bass while retaining clarity is to boost the lows on the kick (60-80Hz) cut the low-mids anywhere from 150Hz to 400Hz (sometimes called the mudrange) and boost the highs at around 3000Hz. This will provide a solid low end, remove some of the mud in the midrange and accentuate the attack of the kick pedal on the drum. For the bass, we do pretty much the opposite; cut the lows where you boosted them on the kick (60-80Hz) boost the bass at around 120 – 150Hz which will provide a full bass sound (while occupying the frequency space we made by cutting the kick drum in this range), and boost the highs at around 900Hz since bass also provides information in that range as well. In short, we are emphasizing the frequencies that are important to the sound of each, while cutting the frequencies where they can conflict." Applying the above we would hpf the bass guitar and not the kick drum - but the principle seems to be to do it to one not the other, so if doing it the other way around works for you then great. But your point about hpf'ing all the vocal mics and in our case extending that to keys and electric guitar is a very good one - I've just put that through on our desk ready for the next gig on Sat 🙂

Indeed! Although we will most likely need one at most two parametric EQs for live use.

We do have an hpf / low cut on each channel on the desk. Would you recommend using it for every instrument and mic though? Or would you want to leave the kick drum untrammelled by an hpf (low cut)? As we use in-ears the issue of monitor placement is fortunately not a concern for us. The issue I've raised in the OP is not venue specific. We do seem to be getting the hang of avoiding feedback issues, even when our singer is making the most of her (Sennheiser) wireless mic to wander out front and engage with the audience - I guess that's maybe down her excellent mic control and switching off/angling the mic to minimise the potential for feedback.

Per the manual: "Each of the 10 frequency bands is fully adjustable over the audio spectrum of 20Hz to 20kHz. Additionally, the filter frequencies used on Channel 1 can be completely different than those used on Channel 2. All of these filter adjustments are saved per preset." Very cool!

@Baloney Balderdash is it the case that the EQ centre points on the SA EQ2 on the face of the pedal display are not fixed if it is fully parametric i.e. you can select whatever EQ centre points you want and not have to stick to the 31Hz, 62Hz, 125Hz etc. centre points?

That's really helpful, thank you! Was there a typo in your last sentence when you said: "in fact also no combination of graphic and parametric equalizing" - I couldn't quite follow that bit?

@JoeEvans - nice solution to the very valid point @BigRedX raised about needing a mic level input / XLR format. I've spotted that several EQ pedals also provide an EQ boost which could be a neat way of getting there with one piece of kit and keeping costs/and the amount of additional gear down? I note that the Source Audio EQ2 has a +12dB volume boost and also provides a combination graphic and parametric equalizer with 10 fully adjustable frequency bands and up to 8 onboard presets (And the ability to simultaneously run two tailored EQ settings which can be independently routed to either stereo output).