Al Krow

Sounds like my BF Super Compact can rest easy for a while yet then! You've just saved me £675, what do I owe ya?! 😁

Hah! I'm not arguing with you at all when it comes to upright basses - given the closest I have to any 'experience' on that front is playing a Stagg EUB at home Now that's a principle I can totally agree with! Although I'd qualify that by saying set your 'core' stage tone on either pedal or amp pre, but then it's nice to be able tweak 'on the fly' on a bass preamp if only to cut / reset treble when moving from vintage Motown to more modern rock mid set! And 'less is more' gets my vote too! I've spent most of the past 4 years gigging with just bass-->lead-->amp & cab and it doesn't seem to have caused too many band melt-downs or audience riots 😂 I have, however, become a massive believer in the importance of a great cab being the key aural 'connection' between my fingers & bass and our audiences, hence being very interested in this new offering from AI** (**see what I did there to flip the discussion back on track? 😁 )

Not sure I've come across too many BCers pushing that line? Surely lots of bass players use pedal preamps without bypassing the preamps on their amps? And an active bass EQ is also an additional preamp...

Latin rock jazzy funk! Sounds awesome!! Really looking forward to hearing you guys in action - will be certainly be watching this space. Now about that Bubingagroovebooster pedal...😀

Hey - welcome back to BC! That's actually a lovely looking bass - it can be hard to beat natural wood grain in terms of finish! Rather than upgrading the bridge and preamp, given that you're not a big user of active EQ and how you're using your EQ seems to be exactly how a lot of us with passive Yammy BBs use ours, just wondering whether it would be worth considering getting a used BB 434 or indeed the 424 that's currently in the FS, which are both purely passive?

Good review, thanks! In terms of HPF, you could potentially sort that with a dedicated HPF pedal such as the Thumpinator or on a multifx i.e. you don't specifically need it in your amp head? Be interesting to see if, with HPF, it gets you the electric bass sound you want. I personally don't have any issues with an uncoloured cab, provided it has excellent clarity and articulation and, of course, gets you heard! Going a little off-topic, there are plenty of options for 'colouring' tone in your signal chain. Which leads me to start wondering whether a Tech 21 Q\Strip may in fact be just the ticket for you? It has both HPF and a much admired pre-amp. Here's a review of said pedal from our very own Dood...

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Did it arrive safely yesterday? If so, definitely looking forward to getting your first impressions on this cab.

Woody - are you already invested in any Helix kit (e.g. Helix Native?) or have you held fire so far? The FM3 is the same size as the Stomp and has the same number of (three) footswitches. It does pack some serious DSP power - equivalent to (or possibly better than) the full Helix in a Stomp sized box. Not sure how many 'blocks' it would allow - full floor Helix I believe delivers 32 blocks, HX effects 9 blocks and, as we have been discussing, HX Stomp a potentially limiting 6. My, albeit limited, experience is that the quality of multi-fx effects simulations is directly related to their DSP power, so Helix Stomp > Zoom B3n > Zoom MS 60B. Providing the extra DSP power isn't simply being expended on extra blocks, I'd similarly expect the FM3 to be a step up in sim quality from the Stomp and for me it should start to be indistinguishable in a band setting from individual dedicated pedals. The FM3 is likely to come with a price tag to match, though, i.e. circa £1,000 vs £389 for the Stomp. But if it has a quality synth engine on a par with a Panda FI, I could be tempted to trade both my Stomp and FI for a one box solution and invest the time in getting up to speed on one UI rather than needing to faff around needing to master two. I guess Fractal Audio needed to do something BIG to stop Helix knocking it off its multi-fx perch entirely and it would seem that the FM3 is the result.

The VK210 LNT is a fantastic cab. A Berg CN212 came up in the FS which I A/B'd with my VK and I couldn't deny the evidence of my ears: the Berg edged it in terms of clarity and articulation for me. So the VK has found its way to another appreciative owner and the Berg has replaced it in my rehearsal space. The Fearless F112 was actually supposed to take the place of my BF SC, which was kinda the rationale at the start of this thread a few months back. But I'm currently thinking of keeping both for the reasons set out in my above posts.

The Aftershock. One just went for a bargain basement £75 in the FS. I picked mine up for £90 about a year or so back. But if it hits the mark for you, then an ad in the wanted section might flush one out.

Good question! Check out the SA Aftershock at 1.00 on this video. "Heavy" setting to get that DG scooped dirt. Does that get you close enough? Can do a lot else besides. It does retain the low end well IMO and you can dial in clean blend if you want even more low end. They come up reasonably often in the FS for around £75 to £95 used.

...Handbox looks great, but sadly only 200W at 8ohms, otherwise I would have been very tempted myself! Mesa M6: definitely a bit of fan noise with this one (not noticeable at all as soon as you start playing). But does it just deliver the best tone of any amp I've come across to date? Yup

** DG M900 sidetrack warning!! ** 😂 I thought the dirt tone was better than on our DG M900s - interesting post in the comments section on the YouTube clip "The distortion it's very cool, it's similar to Alpha Omega pedal." Hmmm...if that's true then that's got me wanting to check out the AO pedal But I guess it's also relevant to your other thread where you're looking to compare the DG M900 v1 with the v2 and which gives you the option of going for the AO instead of the B3K/VMT. However I'm not sure that the clean tone on the GK is any better than on the DG M900? ...I personally would have liked to have seen the amp settings that he was using, whilst he was demoing it.

So all you Bugera M owners on this thread, you've had your amps for six months or longer now If you still have one, how are you getting on with them? Planning to keep? How has it performed in a live mix? Any particular quirks or idiosyncrasies?** Did you get to the bottom of the 'dirty noise' point that @goingdownslow mentioned? Subject to that one point, as a back up amp or just something to try for a change without breaking the bank, this does look like a good option. ** PS on that score, please let's not revisit the whole it's NOT a 2000W RMS amp - we know(!) - that was definitely done to death! 😂

Believe you me, having access to a meaty and full low end from this cab is not going to be any sort of burden whatsoever! Can't wait! 😊

Numpties 😂

I'm a bit confused by what it's stating as power output on the rear of the amp that Andertons are showing as the £989 1200W model? Full power 1040W 800W at 4ohms / 2 ohms 400W at 8ohms I guess I was expecting 1200W at 4ohms and 600W at 8ohms...

Been asked by a couple of BC mates if the the arrival of the F112 means that BF SC is about to be shown the door? Really good, balanced, earlier post by funkle. Just picking up on two positive points for the BF, which apply equally to a BF SC vs Fearless 112 comparison: Find myself agreeing with the second point - I suspect there may be an element of me getting used to the F112's fuller mids, but the slightly mid-scooped BF SC gives it a touch greater musicality and articulation to my ear with everything set flat in relation to the mid / higher end notes and when playing at home. Slightly paradoxical as I've found myself setting the mid EQ above unity with the BF, to compensate, to make sure I'm cutting through the mix when playing with my band. And as to the first point: 21lbs for the BF SC - that is a killer feature and my back isn't going to let that cab go any time soon! Excellent review of the F112 by Ed Friedland which is worth sharing: https://www.bassplayer.com/gear/greenboy-audio-fearless-f112-cabinet-reviewed

There's been a lot of positive comment on this thread about the Fearless F112 which was very helpful in persuading me to give this cab a try. It's been a few months since putting in my order, but I was very pleased to take delivery of my F112 this weekend. I've had a bit of time to A/B the cab with my BF SC which has done me (and my back!) proud over the past 9 months. There's a link to a post from a TB'er in the OP where he compares a BF BB2 with a F112, in which he states that: "Under the exact same power amp output, the F112 consistently sounded a bit louder and hit with better LF extension, depth and authority." I would agree with that as being a very fair summary also when comparing with my BF SC. The F112 does the low end really well - by comparison my BF SC felt somewhat thinner. Low E down to a low B and the F112 has very considerable weight and authority. The 5" speaker on the F112 gives it an additional mid punch that had me thinking about cutting my mids a touch rather than boosting which has been my default approach with my BF SC; in a band mix this ability to cut through is likely to come into its own. There is a two-position mid-dip switch that modestly changes the mid-range speaker’s response voicing which I suspect I will be leaving "on" whilst I get used to having a fuller mid-punch than my BF cab has provided to date. The Fearless has a 1" tweeter to additionally cater for the high end. It is a more subtle tweeter than on my Berg CN212 (the BF SC does not have a tweeter) and although there is an ability to cut the tweeter volume to virtually nil on the F112, I didn't feel any particular need to do this, whereas on the Berg the tweeter is set at a relatively low 3/10. Overall first impressions are very positive and seem to completely bear out the compliments given by other BC'ers on this thread. If you're a 5 string bass player and want to get an extremely capable low end from a compact unit or someone who is looking for a cab with a mid punch that will cut through the mix then, budget permitting, the Fearless F112 is definitely worth having on your shortlist.

That would seem a bit of a generalisation from the fact that your basses are all passive? I have two purely passive basses (Yamaha BBs), but the rest are all active, most with a combined active / passive ability and I love them all - which is why I still have them and have not moved them on. I suspect if you ran a poll you'd find folk split between whether they prefer active or passive circuits on their bass EQs.

Hah, that's not a wish limited to upright players believe me! 😁 If you do find that this takes the place of 2 BF one10s then that does suggest to me it should also stack up well against single BF SC. I'm very much looking forward to your review!

Ah amazing - looks like you're going to be the first BC'er to get one! I just took delivery of a Fearless 112 yesterday which has been a few months in the coming and I'm currently also using a BF SC, which I'm loving for its combination of light weight and general overall quality, so looks like I'm going to be fully sorted in terms of cabs for a while. But really looking forward to getting your thoughts on this - which supplier are you getting yours from? In case you've not come across - here's a link to the TB thread I've also been following: https://www.talkbass.com/threads/acoustic-image-unveils-the-doubleshot-lightweight-2x10-cabinet.1407014/ One negative post on that thread which I thought was actually quite interesting: "The spec (at least the performance spec) is...really unspecified. The one thing you can be certain of is it doesn't have a lot of low frequency sensitivity - that tiny cabinet size simply won't allow that. It might work fine for reinforcing an upright, but if you're playing electric with a drummer, I'd say look elsewhere." Don't know how true that is going to be - I'd love to get some of our resident cab experts views on that particular point. This is the one decent comparison video I've come across - which will be on point for you as it's been done on double bass. The A.I. seems to hold its own very well!