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I think the hardest part of getting that good stage sound is trying to convince the guitarist that he doesn't need to be cranked to 11. Once he realises he doesn't have to drown out the snare & crash, then getting everything else to sound good on stage is a much easier job. Ideally, all the SE should need to do is amplify the band's sound. If the band doesn't have a good stage sound then I think the term "polishing a jobby" would apply.

That's an old video. Still good! I believe he just used a Boss SYB-3 & a multi fx unit (if my memory serves me right).

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1357053799' post='1916823'] You don't want the bass to bleed at all...but it is very hard to control, so the less amount the better. This is why bass heavy cabs aren't really wanted on large stages with lots of mics. The bass is going to get there anyway but you want to cut the amount down if poss... This is also why engrs would not want cabs on stage ...in an ideal world...but their approach is the get the best sound which isnt unreasonable in itself but at odds with a lot of the musos that have to create it. So, it becomes a game of managing your 'compromises' [/quote] I couldn't agree more. But why a sealed 8x10? For a stage with full PA & foldback, isn't the rig just for looks? I often find a stage where the PA isn't ample to put the bass through, the venue doesn't usually warrant a fridge on stage & a 2x10 or 2x12 would give a better sound to both the band & the audience. I used to play a couple of venues with just vocal PA, 1 guitar through an AC30, the other through a Marshall 1/2 stack & a hard hitting drummer (though unmic'd) to a crowd of 2-300 & using my 2x10 was plentiful (had to put auralex foam or similar on the big wooden stages though).

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1357049199' post='1916718'] It won't. The Fridge is the 'industry standard' for the same reason the SM 58 mic is: you can always count on them to work. They're ubiquitous on TV and in venues where the kit is either owned by the house or rented. Neither is perfect in every application, but both will function in any application. [/quote] I can understand a venue wanting a rig to deal with a multitude of styles, but for a bassist's own kit? I suppose it might be down to personal taste (or beliefs).

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1357116735' post='1917556'] They are a bit like ford escorts in that they are ancient and everyone still loves the look and sound (well, not everybody). I can't see why people would hate on fenders. It seems to be usually because they are tired of the designs (understandable). But, like an old escort (my dad is literally a MK1/2 Escort guru), they have a big following for a good reason. Personally, i love an escort and a decent fender. Can't imagine what it would be like to hate them. Peugeots on the other hand.... [/quote] I don't hate Fenders, I'm just not too keen on the body design. Same with Ford Escorts, good value cars, but they're not aesthetically pleasing to me.

IMO Fenders are a bit like ford escorts, they sure ain't pretty! A lot of the design looks fine, but some bits are just "why!". Like that top horn. Though they do sound good enough, there's basses with better sounds (again IMO). I would say an Ibanez SR would cover the majority of sounds, but I wouldn't say it's a classic bass.

If you think something is missing from your 8x10, try some other cabs. Maybe Orange are not very good at making bass cabs, I've not tried them. Does it have to be an 8x10 or 2x15? What about trying a stack of 2 2x12s or 2 2x10s if you have a need for that much volume? I used to have a Marshall 2x15 rig about 20 years ago. Good sound (not as good as my sound now, but a bit louder), but weighed quite a bit which wasn't an issue back then.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1357041931' post='1916596'] which is why the industry standard is a sealed 810... which should handle the bass bleed better, IMO. [/quote] I don't get it. Why would a sealed 8x10 handle bass bleed better than any other non sealed cab of any other configuration?

Finally listened to everyone's entries & again, very hard to choose just one.

Get a Gramma pad for these sort of venues. Big halls are easy to get boomy & it'll help prevent it.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1356966337' post='1915746'] I can't see this at all. 30watts and a shed-builder..?? I can't see 30 watts getting past the drummer and certainly not a loud drumer so no one else will be able to hear and play to you. This does not augur well for a playing band. You may just about get away with it...in a fashion..if you are squeezed into a corner but 30 watts..?? There is nothing you can do to EQ more watts out of that...you may be able to run the amp so bass light..but why would you play with that...?? the sound would be awful, or at best functional...but as for the band playing to it..? It would not be my way of approaching playing in a band .. but if you can make it work, good luck. [/quote] PA support handles all the lower frequencies, so they can be rolled back from the combo a good bit. Watts have little to do with the overall volume.

I've used a 30watt 1x12 combo for backline at a loud gig with PA support & a shed building drummer & had no trouble with on stage volume. It's about placement & EQing. Don't expect miracles, but a 1x10 combo would be ample for monitoring.

Like bobbass4k says, THAT tone is different for everyone. My "THAT tone" just now requires a couple of moog pedals, some dirt & an octaver. But I'm starting an Acid Jazz/Breakbeat band, so this suits my needs perfectly.

[quote name='Stephen Houghton' timestamp='1356914180' post='1915200'] Whats happening to the voting, its gonna be January soon and this ends then doesnt it? [/quote] [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/195165-december-composition-competition-voting-time/"]It's here.[/url]

I'm a 1 bass guy too. My trusty Ibby SR1000 has never let me down at a gig. I did have an issue not long ago with the active electrics at home, so I ripped them out & rewired it as passive. I wouldn't mind a 5 string fretless though.

Use the same theory, but play about with the snares as well. Find a song that is similar in style & listen to the drums in it to generate ideas.

If you've got a rock/pop bassline & want to lay drums down next, pop a snare on the 2 & 4 and a kick just on the 1. Then mess about with the kick between the snares to suit your bassline. Then work on your cymbals (then toms & any other percussion if wanted). Once you get the other instruments in, you can always rip out the drums or change them.

Yes. When I'm writing a song it starts with whatever is in my head. Sometimes I'll start with a drum track & jam some bass along, then when I come up with something I like, I record it. Other times I'll have a melody or a chord sequence. My entry for this month's composition comp started with the bassline for the chorus, then drums, then the other basslines, then the guitar & finally added some lyrics. All recorded in GarageBand.

[quote name='mart' timestamp='1356819483' post='1914080'] On another forum this same topic came up, and one member said he thought Clayton was bad because of the bassline to the song "40". Naively, I pointed out that it wasn't Clayton on the bass for that song, and the guy replied saying he knew that. So this genius had formed an opinion of a bassist on the basis (sorry!) of a line he didn't play. [/quote] Some songs only need a simple line.

I don't see how anyone could rate Adan Clayton as a poor bass player. OK he's not a soloist or slapper, but he's probably one of the most melodic bassists out there.

A couple of my dad's friends have a function band that solely use PA & some foldback. No amps, cabs or combos to be seen. They sound good too. So the answer to your Q is - if you're putting your bass through the PA, then you just need a monitor. Unless the amp/cab/combo is part of your sound. Then you either DI from the amp or mic it up if the cab forms your sound.

[quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1356776960' post='1913413'] I have considered the same... But must resist [/quote] Does the MP201 have an Exp in? If you can plug the HH into it then you have a lot of possibilities.

I read that interview but couldn't watch the vids (IIRC I read it at work). I'd like to add a HH3 to my board & use it on the mf101's cutoff.

You could take a stereo to 2 mono jacks & just plug one channel into the amp.

[quote name='lxxwj' timestamp='1356737804' post='1913188'] What specifically are you referring to? [/quote] The embedding bit? Usually when I paste a YT link, it automatically embeds the video on here. But for some strange reason, it wont. Still worth clicking on the links & enjoying them if you're into great sounds with fx (OK, I know there's a few BCers who already get excellent sounds).