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I once met a girl , easy it is not that sort of forum. Her father was head flautist for the London Philharmonic. We were invited back to her parents house to play some records(vinyl). The HiFi included a pair of Lowther drivers set in concrete on the floor with huge horns going up and over, finally pointed into the centre of the room. The sound from a tiny amplifier was immense BUT not many spouses would accept either the cost, building work and visual intrusion in the lounge. Now apart from reminiscing, as with Bill’s post above, illustrates that you cannot judge a system either by the power or the look of a system.

My recent experience is that, in terms of power, 200-300watts RMS is fine. I will nod to the caveats above from Bill and Phil but just give you my recent experience. Like @Phil StarrI have a thing about speakers and have far too many. Until recently, for vocals only, my band used my Ramsa ( Panasonic) WS-A200 tops. Often claimed at 250watts, a dig down into the spec shows that they weee really rated at 125 watts RMS. The sensitivity is 98dB and they were loud. Of course a big arena would not be ideal for two of these. Other cost over £500 new and are between 20-30 years old. However at 16Kg and with no side handles they are too heavy/awkward to get on stands for me now. Before lockdown, @Phil Starr organised what you could call jam sessions at Corley near Chard and I went to one. Phil was using a pair of old Wharfedsle Pro Titan 312 active speakers plus subs. I liked them and recently bought them. I did not go on spec, just my experience of them with 5 different bands/vocalists. I only looked at the specs recently and they are 150 Watts RMS for the woofer and 50 for the tweeter/compression driver. So a real wattage of 200. For vocals they sound great and are very loud (remember these were the days before exaggerated power claims). These are probably 10 years old but in perfect working order. So what can we take from this? Use your ears not your eyes, either when looking at the cabinets or the specs. Now the caveats, I am not sure I woul put a lot of bass from/kick through any 12” top. Adding a single sub would be fine and it you control the lows(HPF) and the volume you might get away with putting the kick through your choice of tops. Others may have experience here that I do not.

I giiged a MAG 15” combo for years, it was fine then but I would not use it now. The head would be fine with a decent cab. What represents a decent cab is of course a matter of taste.

My band played a new club for us on Saturday, with a dep drummer. We have gigged three times since Xmas, but the last one was 3 weeks ago. This was a cut-price gig and was two 1 1/4 hours sets that inevitably turned into a 1 hour 20 and 1 hour 40. I found out again why we need to play every day. My fingers were raw at the end of the night. It was great fun, though (the masochist in me?). They want us back, but I think I will insist on our normal rate at least. I thought I had a bad night, but the drummer said he found it easy to play along with me. Incidently, I have just bought the CQ20, first outing may be this Friday.

@stevie designed the BC112 and now runs LFSys. The Monaco and Silverstone cabs are the direct descendants of the BC112. One is more than enough. Pair that with most small class D heads and you are good to go.

I remember using a delay on a female lead singer, 20mS sticks in my head but don't take that as any sort of guide. A little compression should not cause feedback unless it is too aggressive and the level is returned to uncompressed peak level. Saying that I am happy to learn from others. Most of us do. Can you send it wet to FoH and dry to his monitor?

Yes but it’s in the head not in the trousers/pants. As others have said, we have our share of those with sub-optimal IQs.

I understand that if @Frank Blank does not attend this year’s bash, the world will end at midnight October 41st.

Had these been available a few months ago I would have been in like a shot but the coffee went all over my laptop keyboard….. Other things have also depleted the GAS fund😭

The KZs have a bit of a smiley face EQ so are a tad bass heavy compared to some ear buds.

I can hear so many influences there but it also sounds very fresh. Congratulations.

This is good to hear. I have heard good things about Surrey Amps and it sounds like Mesa/Gibson are doing things properly. I have never spent that much on an amp but the support really adds value.

Me too. I still have my Pentels but the drawing board is long gone. 😀

probably a better bet? I wonder why they say just SS amps?

Roland Mk2 I believe.

Sorry, I thought I had posted pictures:

That is the one (two actually) that I use.

That is a good choice except that it has a built in mid scoop. I use the Orchid Classic and it is great. it does take the signal to the PA as it comes form your bass but it sound lie it would suit you well. I have a couple and could lend you one for a week or two.

That was the bass that got me hooked, even though I never owned one, my mate at apprentice school had one plus a WEM 40 watt stack.

No its is is in the eating.

My band has bass guitar, two guitars, vocals and an acoustic drum kit. The drummer is not a loud player, do you think a single sub would work in that scenario?

I agree about using a Mic Mechanic but I am not sure that can correct everything. Is the singer standing close enough to the mic? This would allow you to reduce the gain. Evox8 is one of the new generation of mini line arrays plus sub. These “sub on a stick” systems often have the HF/mid driveway slightly different horizontal angles such that the reflections that cause feedback are coming back to the mics at different angles, this is supposed to reduce feedback. I wonder whether, by using the Alto cab too, you are tending to negate the one real benefit of the Evox8? No real science behind these thoughts though.

Of us. Long time since I used an X18. What vocals are too quiet? FoH or monitors?

Phil will be along soon I am sure but, as you may know, the 8” design was originally an extension cab for my supercharged Ashdown After 8. I know Phil was looking to change the shape slightly ( a cube is not ideal). For memory, just a few cm taller. However I know that Mr Starr has just joined a new band and is giving with the old one so there has been some delay. Just for reference, the original cab is a delight it really does sound good. I use it at home together with an Ashdown Retroglide 800. I sometimes wind it up while herself and next door are out. 😀👍🎶 I do not feel as though it it lacking much even compared to many 10s. Again, for reference, the updated After Eight was fitted with a P-Audio 8” medium speaker but that has been discontinued (the Basschat speaker curse?). Although heavier, it has a ceramic magnet, the Fane is a nice driver and the weight will come down as the new cab will be either 15 or 12mm Poplar core ply. Phil will elaborate shortly.

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