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If you really want the sine? Well Mr. Claber just happens to have it available on his wobsite: [url="http://barefacedbass.com/technical-information.htm"]http://barefacedbass...information.htm[/url] Check this out too (I haven't tested this one...) [url="http://www.audiocheck.net/audiofrequencysignalgenerator_sinetone.php"]http://www.audiochec...or_sinetone.php[/url] EDIT: How's the weight... let me guess, it's noticeably lighter than the ashdown? EDIT II: I checked your posts and found this, Johnnyc: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/183560-barefaced-super-12-sold/page__p__1762409#entry1762409 May, June, July - 12 weeks+? I'm only on week seven waiting on my compact. This waiting is harder because of the hope. I hope it's worth the wait... I know Alex is trying to improve the process, and the cabs - which is great but getting it right for his operation means we are waiting quite a while. Backlogs mean I'll likely be waiting another few weeks. It had better be worth it! P.S. Pics! even lo-fi phone ones!

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Hello! Welcome, and watch your back at all times... one wrong click and GAS will find you!

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1344519503' post='1765849'] The only difference between astrology and astronomy is that astrology makes testable predictions [/quote] And has moved with technology and better scientific standards. Like Alchemy and Chemistry.

[quote name='gjones' timestamp='1344468643' post='1765220'] Back using roto swing bass after I got a free set on this very forum and realised you don't get that punch from any other strings. [/quote] They are really good. Even if the steel ones eat frets! (if you fret lightly and have stainless steel frets it should be fine). The sound vicious when you run them fully open.

My Yamaha (PSR something 401?) has the split keys function - you can select where the split falls too. I like keys. Mainly when other people play them!

Good stuff. Here's wishing you many years of happy playing with nay a single issue or mishap!

I'd be wary. Keep an ear out for loose parts... can you examine it without voiding a warranty? Might be perfect from now on...

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1344465122' post='1765162'] If you're going to try to do an actually useful and representative scientific test then you need to make it as much like a gig as possible, with all the interesting acoustics, noisy bandmates, variable audience, etc. I've thought about this stuff a lot and have yet to think of a better way to honestly test a cab for yourself than to play some gigs with it. It's nice that people want to understand what's going on and take an analytical approach to bass cab performance (it's how I ended up doing what I do) but it is incredibly complicated and to get a test scenario that produces valid and realistic results would be nigh on impossible. Anyway, who cares whether a panel of other bassists say that cab X is better according to their tests if cab Y works better for you? [/quote] I think any test that includes 'tone' or other subjective measures will fail to establish a 'best cab' for everyone, and that's probably not a bad thing. I agree a representative and non-biased test is hard to do. However I think by eliminating most of the biases (Voters for subjective bits won't know which is which . . . or how much they cost) you make a better test than someone playing through two different rigs, as even on the same night, they are not even single blind. How well the test reflects the reality of a gigging rig greatly effects it's appropriateness. I can't see an obvious and convenient compromise. I'd say for the purpose of these tests one might be best off to mainly speculate on the group performance aspect - or maybe derive it (I know, but think of the alternatives) from how well it sounds all around the room, how clear certain frequencies sound, and of course how well it 'cuts' at a controlled volume through a dense recording with various heads/basses. Now I'm just creating issues ain't I? This is not easy to even think, let alone do... so many variables!

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1344499702' post='1765352'] That's why we use more than one amp I doubt band testing is really going to happen as it is a [b]LOT[/b] more to organise [/quote] The scale would get out of hand if you tried a band sim with actual bands. You could do it with a few genres with a recording (rig up a PA with a few recordings and see how each cab's tones fit) but I doubt several bands could sacrifice a day for it. It's asking a lot more than getting bassists to do a shootout with cabs. If there was a way to compare frequency response, tone flat, and tone in a few 'sweet spots' perhaps selected by the cab's owner... as well as off axis response, weight, 'headroom' (Don't ask me how to measure it safely )... etc. etc. That info alone would be good to have. It's interesting but I think you have to establish priorities to make appropriate compromises and get the most out of it.

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1344472073' post='1765249'] No bandmates, audience of the same half dozen mates, fiddling with acoustics is all of the point of my set. Is my music science? [/quote] Experimental is what I'd call it. saying 'one two' in surround sound with vocal effects and playings arpeggios can get real boring after a while though. Live 12 minute Eq. solo with a sampled bass loop isn't traditional either IMO.

It's a looker. The powered extension cab Idea is sweeeeet!

[quote name='pobrien_ie' timestamp='1344406619' post='1763896'] Flavour of the month for me right now are D'addario Chromes. They're probably not to everyone's liking though. [/quote] +1, but roto 66's are a close second. Really digging my chromes ATM. After (IIRC) nearly 3 months of total playtime... they've started a new phase, super smooth and warm with a subtle bite. Chasing the tone dragon with nothing more than the maturation of a great set of strings. Nickel 66's have grown on me too. Nice feel but a killer tone. I have only tried them on my two basses and they kill on both. Funnily enough as they deaden up they sound great too. Maybe I just like deader strings in general.

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1344448156' post='1764755'] Well, I've heard nothing back from EBS so this afternoon I took my amp to a tech to see if it can be sorted out. He's ringing me Friday afternoon with the good/bad news. [/quote] Hope it works out - sucks there's no reply from the maker - CS counts, they should offer support for the small fraction of end users that experience issues. Costs a fair bit but can win you life long customers... like Genz Benz.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1344443859' post='1764641'] I doubt I could get down just to witness the cabinet differences, but what I will say is that nothing 'special' should be set up...at all. When you get to a gig, you put your cab down and get on with it. As long as the same amp, cables and bass are used, by the same person demoing it, then that's enough. [/quote] Definately good enough for an individual - but tests like those aren't even single blind... (I know which cab is which). Not awful but not enough for broad comparisons. What would be the best model? I'd start with all of them flat with the same amp, SPL approximately equal. Maybe have an attempt at matching using the EQ... if a cab has a tweeter, switch it off to better compare with the tweeterless cabs etc. Definitely would be best to be 'blind' for the subjective tone tests... facing away from the amps at a fair distance to not know which cab it's coming from. For the non subjective and the subjective parts the room matters a lot. A very treated room is probably asking too much but any room that isn't bare concrete and steel should work ok... I don't really know. Best of luck with the experiment. I'd be interested to see how it was done, and how it works out!

[quote name='njr911' timestamp='1344439171' post='1764532'] Thanks for all your advice guys! I've decided due to the fact that the MiBass would cost me less than half the price of a OBT I'll get a MiBass at the moment and then keep my eye out for a resonably priced OBT in the near future. I still want an OBT but the MiBass at the price is a no brainer. Now just to decide on Cabs - I can get Ashdown stuff at great prices so MiBass cab or the VS series are options as would be a Barefaced Compact but is it worth three times the price of a VS212 or VS115 ? [/quote] Depends on the budget - and how much your back is worth! If you have to carry a rig up & down stairs regularly, and aren't a very strong person, some Cabs aren't worth the pain IMO. Barefaced attracted me 'coz of the weight. They generally get described as great sounding too. If another cab sounds very good, and you can transport it without too much trouble, and if it's 1/3 the price? I'd consider it.

Greetings! Awesome gear you got there (I want an MIA fender - but a P)

Whooo! good hustle guys, keepin' the place awesome. Thank you, and best wishes for the new and old!

[quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1344422138' post='1764132'] I think Orange are pretty old school when it comes to internal bracing, unlike BF. The SP is a bit different, though. Due to the nature of the isobaric design, it will have a second baffle set a couple of inches behind the visible front one to hold the second driver, not to mention the horizontal section on which it sits. All of this could be viewed as internal bracing, although that's not its primary purpose. All adds to the weight :-) [/quote] Interesting. I guess it counts. I'd need to hear them in person to see about resonant behavior... (You can definitely tell is a cab is solid and dampened when you give it a hard rap... should sound 100% dead. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJy3TscsL-U"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJy3TscsL-U[/url]) The SP's are the 'tandem' 210's aren't they? I suppose it makes a lot of sense for bass... not as much as the 2 & 3 way designs... but Orange are concentrated on the vintage tone.

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1344407452' post='1763903'] Yes, and having played through both, I`d take the Compact any day. The SP210 is plenty loud, but doesn`t seem to have much depth to the sound. The Compact has a lot more in this area. [/quote] +1. And Barefaced lets you try it - then send it back if it doesn't work for you... but you have to join a que.... (nearing the end of week seven of my wait for one ). Are the SP's dampened and batted? or does the heavy cab have sufficient rigidity to not need batting? I'd hesitate as I've heard some Orange cabs have a lack of these crucial features... even at oranges prices (which aren't rock bottom).

Zoom b2.1u here... sweet. I can plug it in - instant volume pedal, tuner, eq. etc. Compressor and effects work too. Not in the same league as a good pedalboard and the knowledge to use it... but not in the same price league either. It's a good first dip into effects. What I've learned is there are two I kinda need - and more I want. I need a compressor & good OD/DI pedal (like a sansamp) but I need to get my amp and get used to it first. I may be able to get most of my needs with the amp as - is. What I'd like is about 1,130 synth, octave, fuzz, wah, od. booster, splitter, etc.

[quote name='essexbasscat' timestamp='1344361736' post='1763398'] I'd certainly be interested in hearing a test like this, especially with the BF cabs present. London or Anglia venue ? or midway ? [/quote] You should email Alex Claber... He seems confident in his designs, and would probably like to see them tested fairly (but you'd do it fair... wouldn't you?)

He's not an 'in your face' motivational speaker like the traditional 'Good 'ol US of A preacha' ' school of speakers... Which is why I can listen to him. Good lesson, puts some perspective on things - no nostalgia or B.S. just his opinion and experience. IMO. His lessons have transcriptions. That's awesome!