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Everyone knows who he is,but let's be honest,the vast majority of people don't know that he plays bass. I quite like some of his playing. I'm no means a massive fan but I like what he does. To me,he plays bass like a singer,as in he plays phrases that are very vocal like. At least he did in the late Beatles period,which is when,I think, his playing peaked. Post-Beatles he did some nice stuff (Silly Love Songs),but nothing as prominent as his Beatles work.

It definately a synth bassline

I regularly play 'Gimme some Loving', 'I Wish', 'Superstition','Hard to Handle','Knock on Wood' and 'Sex Machine'.I play 'Do I Do' a lot aswell. I also play 'Funk Music' but that's with a different band

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='902128' date='Jul 22 2010, 05:19 PM']Fairly sure he was looking at it from an engineers point of view.[/quote] Yeah he probably was,but he was also hoping to pitch it to both guitarists and bass players,hence the 34" scale,as it sits in between the Upright and a Telecaster.

I think the problem here is making a distinction between academia and art. There are 'rules' in music. Chord and scale structures are made up of 'rules' that can't be changed. If you play a C chord the notes will always be the same,if you change a note you change the chord.It's the same with scales. There are also 'rules' about how diatonic harmony works. This is all academic,but they are rules non the less. However,in art there are no rules. There are many tunes that move away from diatonic harmonic structures(the Blues is an obvious example),and there are hundreds of example of players playing 'out' over the changes, ie. they are playing notes that are not related harmonically to the key. These are examples of breaking the 'rules' in order to create art.

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='901882' date='Jul 22 2010, 01:48 PM']In terms of position in music, yes. Although I've not seen a bass VI used much, it has general performed chordal or at least multi string duties.[/quote] Although it was often used in country music to double what the Upright played,which was known as 'Tic-Tac'. I've just found a quote from Leo Fender where he says that "We needed to free the bass player from the big doghouse,the acoustic bass........ ..........The old bass took up too much room,and it was difficult to haul it around" In the same quote he also says that "sometimes guitar players would have an advantage if they could have an instrument with frets that would make doubling on bass easier for them" So it appears the Fender was looking at the instrument from both a guitar and bass player point of view. I wouldn't say that it's the frets that make it a guitar,because there have been examples of fretted double basses long before the first bass guitar.

[quote name='silddx' post='901180' date='Jul 21 2010, 07:05 PM']May I suggest it is because that is what any sane person with intact genitalia and a love of music would have done?[/quote] Not a fan then? You may not like Caron's music,but for my money he has possibly the best slap technique anywhere.

Oooohhhh..... How could I have forgotten to mention Alain Caron?

Just a few players who've done some cool slap stuff....... Marcus Miller,Stanley Clarke,Victor Wooten,Larry Graham,Louis Johnson,Dave LaRue,Adam Nitti,Bill Dickins, Les Claypool,'Ready' Freddie Washington,T.M. Stevens,Stuart Hamm,Victor Bailey,John Patitucci,.......

[quote name='BigRedX' post='900787' date='Jul 21 2010, 10:36 AM']I notice that the "how do you like your sound?" thread has been revived. A quick scan through reveals that a lot of the people who posted in this thread arguing for versatility in playing styles don't appear to have the same approach to sounds. Interesting...[/quote] I've just had a look at that thread,and read it as people 'preferred' sound. I know that I mentioned having a naturally bright sound,but what I didn't mention is the variety of instruments that I own and use that all sound different. While my sound of choice is quite bright and full range,lately I've been recording with a flatwound strung Precision. Instrument and sound wise,I have pretty much every eventuality covered.

I've only ever done one purely improvised gig. When I was in my old band,the singer/guitarist,drummer and myself did a small gig which consisted of the acoustic guitar and upright bass running through loop pedals and lots of crazy ideas. It was good fun at the time and the smallish crowd seemed to appreciate what we were doing,but it wasn't something that I'd want to do all the time.We did get a few ideas for some new songs out of it though. As much as I love improvising,I prefer to have a firm idea,either melodic or chordally,to return to for when things start to get out of hand,which they invariably do when you are purely improvising.

I really like the look of the Aerodyne style ones.

There was an article in Bass Player in the mid '90's about a NY(I think) busker,who played the bass with his toes while playing Sax or something.

Go for the car. There's no point having more gear if you can't get to gigs. It's horrible to have to rely on someone to drive you around,and may lead to problems with conflicting schedules,leaving you stuck. Obviously,you'd prefer the bass,but look at it practically.

[quote name='thisnameistaken' post='900066' date='Jul 20 2010, 02:18 PM']Yeah I went to YouTube and typed in "Marcus Miller", everything on the first page was Marcus Miller slapping, I don't get why people think slapping is all he does. The first result was Marcus Miller slapping Moonlight Sonata. [/quote] You're always going to get that,because over the last 15 years or so Marcus has developed a very strong identity on the instrument. What you won't find on YouTube are the thousands of songs,jingles and soundtracks that he played on throughout the '80's and '90's as one of the first call NY studio players. Back on topic,I like Miles' work around that period. Sure some of it is a little over produced at times,but I liked what he was doing and thought that there were some really good tunes.

[quote name='ElCapitan' post='899864' date='Jul 20 2010, 11:53 AM']Don't make me fetch the hose.[/quote] What???????

[quote name='thisnameistaken' post='899851' date='Jul 20 2010, 11:44 AM']Can I just say I've no idea who this person is and I didn't put him up to it.[/quote] Thanks,good to know. Besides you'd have written something better.

[quote name='ElCapitan' post='899846' date='Jul 20 2010, 11:40 AM']Shut it hat boy.[/quote] Did you forget the smiley,or should I begin to get pissed off with you?

[quote name='ElCapitan' post='899837' date='Jul 20 2010, 11:34 AM']f***ing funny though.[/quote] .........or not.

Exactly. Knowing what you are doing gives you more options than those that don't. I've never heard anyone complain because know how to do something.

[quote name='Pete Academy' post='899431' date='Jul 19 2010, 09:15 PM']You got there first. [/quote] You snooze,you lose

[quote name='bubinga5' post='899410' date='Jul 19 2010, 08:58 PM']gottta love that album Pete.in my top ten...when you say myth do you mean the one about Marvin pulling him out of a bar a he was pie eyed? apparently he played the line pissed?[/quote] Not just pissed,but lying flat on his back.

If I was playing this quite quickly,I'd either play the low A with my first finger,the B with my third finger and the E,A and E with my little finger,or I'd use first finger on A and the little finger rolling over the rest of the notes. I very rarely barre,and prefer to fret each note.

[quote name='Dave Vader' post='899253' date='Jul 19 2010, 06:46 PM']Hence most punk music sitting around in a 3-chord trick, with harmonies that stray not too far from 3rds and 5ths. While Jazz and Prog on the other hand (where they learned the rules first) are more often than not a little more interesting on the rule-breaking front.[/quote] Exactly. [quote name='Wil' post='899254' date='Jul 19 2010, 06:46 PM']If you don't know what the rules are to begin with, then you're not bound by them at all. You don't have to know you're breaking the rules to break them, you just do it. The only thing that matters is whether the microtonal masterpiece that came to you in the middle of the night while playing slide guitar with a shoe actually sounds good, and that's all subjective anyway.[/quote] Funnily enough most 'untrained' players who think that they are breaking rules,really aren't.(See the punk comment above) Knowing stuff doesn't mean you are bound to it,instead it gives you greater options. The only thing that bounds you is your own limitations. I know it's a cliche but 'knowledge is power'.