Wolverinebass

A very reasonable theory. However, it does have one tiny flaw. After Covid is over and Brexit calms down, do you think the prices will come down?!! They won't.

To be fair, I wonder if the price increases have something to do with this... http://tenor.com/Yj2t.gif

They can go and do one. It's made of basswood!! I'd love to know why we're getting such a hike as it's really grim.

At £3000 I want to decide whether the bass is made of platinum or if the bridge is encrusted with diamonds. EBMM have been on the gear with this pricing. There is no way I'd pay that for one.

Well, you have some very nice basses squire. I think if Darkglass make it full midi, I might get one actually.

Not missing anything squire. That's why I said, a slightly different species of apples. The PSA does have cab simulation, but not uploadable. It does have a headphone out, but not an aux in. It's not just a stomp box pedal any more than the ADAM is as it's a multi band distortion unit with EQ. As I've said a Darkglass pedal with midi presets would be worth £500. This just happens to have quite a few other things too. Just a pity it has so few presets. I should read the ADAM manual myself, but how flexible is the multi band? Can you choose the ratios and frequencies of the bands or is it just dials? I had thought that it was midi controllable but couldn't remember if it was just the IRs. As I say, it's not an accurate comparison as they're different in many ways, but similar in others. Just one I wondered about. I'd certainly like to have a go of one. Demo videos my dear boy as I'd like to hear it played by someone who isn't just going to "do a Nolly" or worse still "do a Patrick Hunter," which as you play Warwicks it'd be interesting. For me at least.

I'd have been surprised if it was rubbish. However, the Tech 21 PSA 2.0 is a a similar one box solution that's only £350. Full midi implementation as well. I appreciate that it's an apples and different species of apples comparison, but I think it's one to be made. The upgradeable firmware is very clever. Pity it's only 3 settings. I'd certainly like to try one.

At the last SE Bash we had one hooked up to a Vanderkley 2x10. By the time a decent volume was attained the red light was on constantly and there was some obvious compression artefacts. It's a jazz gig amp.

I was thinking a reidmar funnily enough.

I'm not spending £350 on an underpowered matchbox on what might happen. Then you have the double frustration of you can't turn up to the same level because it has zero oomph. If I get a spare, it'd be a better amp than that.

After all this, can we all just agree that the Elf is awful?

Well, it appears that the bods at Ernie Ball have pushed the boat out too far after overindulgence in "Mickey Rooney's Crazy Pills." £3k is laughable. 2 years ago you could get an HH ash/rosewood from thomann for £1900. They are mental if they think anyone will take that up in decent quantities. They can go and do one as far as I'm concerned.

I loved the 12 band heads of these. When Peavey pulled out of the UK, the Bass Centre did a fire sale of the amps and cabs from this range. I remember it was £250 for thr 4x10 brand new. Was insane, but the weight put me off.

Exactly. I'm in my early 40s and associate Trace with John Entwistle due to him using the V8, MP11, poweramps and TVT9 preamp. I think it's being suggested we should only associate Trace with Mike Kroeger of Nickelback or Mark King or whomever we shouldn't like. I'm not a slap monster. Definitely not one of those 50 year old Mark King fans that have paid kept Status graphite in the black for the last 20 years. "New, marginally tweaked Kingbass!! Bendwell!! 16.5mm string spacing!!! Set up like Mark!!! Listen to me play Mr Pink on it!!!" Not me. Sorry.

"Range?" Sorry, just to confirm that word again. "RANGE?!!" Trace Elliot have a sad window corner in crack converters where their new products (sorry - range) is covered in dust because nobody wants it. The 12 band Peavey era was great. This new stuff is pish.

That is very true that 90W at that level would be virtually impossible to hear. But, running out of headroom and redlining the amp the whole time kind of defeats the purpose. Now all I'm saying is that from what I read there were reports that it was underpowered. I've never tried one. Hence my post was more of a question rather than "Didn't everyone know retroglides are rubbish?" type post. The simple reason was I was toying with getting one until I saw the multiple negative comments about it's output.

Would that be because of the drive adding harmonics? Also when looking at the manual the retroglide says 710 watts, not 800. I would bet that the newer RMs have a different power module to the older ones as they are now lighter, but from what I've read, the retroglide appears to be underpowered which is a shame.

If you haven't had white Russian cornflakes you haven't lived.

Gibson copies Cataldo copying Gibson.

I'd be voting for an assortment of Polish, Finnish and Russian vodkas with a packet of cigarettes actually. I would have said crack pipe, but sometimes you can overdo it. Plus this is a family forum.

That's because Warwick literally copy anything and say they invented it.

I appear to be of the odd opinion that I really like the Peavey era stuff from about 2002. The older stuff is great as well. This new stuff is awful. Unless you play a jazz gig you'd need an 8x10 to play anything bigger as the Elf is so anaemic. You can put it in your pocket? Whooptee do. You'll be red lining it the whole way as it's got so little power. Also, whomever priced the new cabs is on crack. They're ludicrously expensive for what they are. Get the preamp of the older models bang a 1000W class D behind it. Job done. Instead, we get this ludicrous set of products that look like someone forgot to add water to get them to the correct size.

Just to clarify, do you mean tonally, functionally or both? Just curious.

Look, we need to see pictures of your rehearsal room lying in rubble after you played an open E. Oh, and if you set someone on fire as well that would also insinuate that the amp either has a flamethrower or possibly a pop out cigarette lighter that can "get a bit out of control."

Immensely powerful, but the eq is awful. Completely woeful. I couldn't get a decent sound out of it because of that simple fact.