jakenewmanbass

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1382429451' post='2251907'] I've been thinking about this a bit more, and I suppose it's down to one's definition of 'knowing theory'. If need to write down the chords of a tune I'm playing, I could (but I generally don't have to). But mxylixololdioans and all that? I know nowt. When I'm playing a line, I'm playing it because it sounds right. Which, by happy coincidence, must also mean the theory behind it is solid. [/quote] Another interesting point Your ears and musical sensibility will show you the way admirably because you're programmed with the stuff you've listened to/played over the years. A time where being more immediately aware of the theoretical make up of the music you're asked to play is when it doesn't follow conventions and puts you out of a comfort zone. Having an expansive knowledge of how chords are made and what notes will fit in more unusual progressions can mean the difference between making a coherent sound and ruining the tune. prime example would be playing walking lines over changes, something I really enjoy doing... we've arrived at Jazz gentlemen. Get the flame throwers out..

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1382365687' post='2251225'] I am in no way trying to underestimate the skills of the classical player. I fully realise that each type of music has it's own particular required skills. I just think that when it comes to all round musicianship, the jazzer has the slightly upper hand. [/quote] My experience varies, and I've played with lots of both. My feeling is there is no hard and fast truth when assessing one or the other and that in fact there are good and bad in all walks. I've seen some woefully bad classical players and played with some jazzers that make me want to run a mile. As well as the extreme opposite in both cases

[quote name='ubassman' timestamp='1382365111' post='2251211'] I was at the Geoff Clyne Bass festival a couple of years ago and in our group of about 6 players we each had to do a short 8 bar improvised solo. There was a very proficient classical player with outstanding technique who went ashen faced and asked but "how do you know what notes do you play?" That can be the difficulty as a Classical player you are required to play the right notes in the right order at the right time. Musically the idea of improvisation is not even on the radar on scored parts ( unless asked for by the composer!). Credit to her she 'heard' the notes and did a pretty reasonable impro ...not as polished or interesting as the regular jazzers but plausible. Later in the afternoon when the roles were reversed, she went through some intonation, sight reading and bowing exercises and nobody came remotely close to her speed , accuracy, timing and command of her instrument. Playing in an orchestra requires an entirely different set of skills to playing in say a jazz trio and I dont think one can generalise who would make the transition the easiest. [/quote] This. We really oughtn't underestimate the skill set of orchestral players, they perform to an astonishingly high level day in day out.

[quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1382345288' post='2250752'] The beauty of Jazz, it comes in all different styles and forms. Everyone has a diverse opinion on it. You see, I enjoy listening to Anthony Jackson, I love big Bands of all styles. [/quote] That version of Not Yet is awesome. Love it or hate it, it's passionate, committed and at the top of playing ability in the world.

Brilliant, I've seen him around for a while, his 'Isn't she lovely' has a fab vocal arrangement and a really nice melodica solo.

Aww mate, I feel for you That's just so awful to see... on the upside, basses are made of wood, glue and cracks, it will be fine in the end.

And the OP vid!! What a tempo!!!!

I love Donny and was lucky enough to tour Europe with Ike in the early nineties, I grew up a massive Zappa fan (loving Ike's singing) so to be on tour with him at age 25 felt like I'd died and gone to heaven. (played outside now and Lucille with him too ) Donny Hathaway live is utterly essential listening for any serious musician. Willie Weeks is just awesome.

That's right Basstractor, the conversation so often goes along the lines of people thinking they play without theory existing in their universe, when in truth if they are playing something as simple as root notes for every chord then the theory is just that, that the bass part consists of root notes for each chord, and Ironically, if it weren't for the existence of theory I would really struggle to get that sentiment across to you on a forum that uses words as the means of communication, as that's the only means I have of describing the information.

Fab Ben, you've got some really nice licks there, sounds and feels really nice. Some fine point critical analysis if you fancy it, and I'd like to be careful to say it's something I work on and make mental notes about in my own playing, so it's more a chat about the subject than me telling you what I think as if I know better Note length dude! especially with a spacious piece like this, where your note ends can be as important to the groove as where it starts, and it occurred to me in a few places that you're coming off the note a tad early.

Jazz was once upon a time, folk music... Now, in the hands of many people that call themselves jazz musicians it is music played by musicians that have got their chops together and have a major desire to show other musicians the [i]e[/i][i]xtent[/i] to which they've got those chops together. That type of jazz doesn't sound like music to me. And this is coming from someone who has played a ton of jazz through my working life. There is plenty of really good jazz being played by some awesome musicians in this country and elsewhere eg Mike Walker and Gwilym Simcock playing in the 'Impossible gentlemen' a band with Adam Nussbaum and Steve Swallow. Mike is an old mate of mine and one of the finest jazz musicians I've played with, so there is great stuff out there, you just need to be judicious and learn to realise when you've just got a noodler/showboater in front of you. It is of course all subjective! I did a jazz gig in Reading this lunchtime, was a blast!

[quote name='Annoying Twit' timestamp='1382180285' post='2248939'] Leicester. I work in education myself, so I think I'm reasonably prepared to take sufficient notes etc in order to make sure I have what I need to revise/remember material. [/quote] Doddy (BC member) is across the A50 from you I think he teaches around Stafford.. might be worth the trek.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1382296857' post='2250362'] Absolutely. Of course there's theory behind it - I'm just not thinking of it from a theoretical standpoint. [/quote] Indeed, that was my point, which is why i said your answer was an interesting one, I've seen some of your vids and consider you to be a very natural, good bass player. And I also think if you were aware of the theory (I'm not saying you aren't btw) behind what you were playing you'd remain those things. Knowing the theory would not take anything away from you as a player... It might however enhance certain areas, and we all could use a little enhancement huh I think most instinctive musicians just forget rules and just play music when in the moment, but the theory still exists.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1382295343' post='2250318'] Very nice Jake, When is the album out? [/quote] It's about half mixed I think and there are discussions about release... so sooner rather than later but no release date yet.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1382295955' post='2250345'] You haven't been to one of my band's rehearsals have you? [/quote] like my early life... I remember!

[quote name='norvegicusbass' timestamp='1382295835' post='2250339'] Really? A hundredth of the time? [/quote] Maybe a tad facetious but I can play a recordable bassline from a chord chart first take... Honestly, it's what I do for a living. So I reckon there will be times where my maths are correct. Edit: but apparently not my english because it should be 'Maths [i]is [/i]correct'

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1382295464' post='2250322'] Bang on as ever Jake. [/quote] just like to get to the heart of the matter Pete

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1382294053' post='2250282'] The last thing I'm thinking of when I'm writing lines is the theory - I'm playing what I hear in my head. [/quote] This is an interesting answer because I think it's what's true in most situations. I have three thoughts on this: 1. in this discussion there is massive incidence of the blind leading the blind. 2. If you are playing things from your own musical imagination there is theory that expresses it in a written communicable form [i]Whether you like it or not fellas. [/i]Just because you are not thinking in theoretical terms (which is perfectly fine) does not mean there is no theory at play. 3. People that are both musical and theoretically able will be at a bassline in around a 100th of the time that a noodler will take which is what makes me able to go on a gig or recording session with people I've never met and read chord charts to come up with a bass part on the spot. I did this session with one rehearsal and chord charts so when I recorded the song it was the 2nd or 3rd time I'd played it: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/220192-new-artist-video/page__pid__2249848#entry2249848"]http://basschat.co.u...48#entry2249848[/url]

p'raps I should have put this in the recording section? Happy for it to be moved...

I did some album sessions over the last 2 summers, This video has been produced from one of the tracks. She's a really nice girl, deserves to do something. Currently singing BV's with Tom Jones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YpsanS-mQg

where are you based btw, I may be able to recommend as I know players/teachers all over the place.

I do plenty of one off lessons for people to see some major topic material, I generally make it at least 2 hrs with a possible tea break and I spend time reiterating central messages to maximise the uptake of material trying to ensure that retention is reasonable, I also offer a back up questions via email option because the reality is you will not remember everything that you are shown in an intense lesson. So definitely doable. Find someone thorough with a proven track record of clear communication of material, and who can give rapid and accurate analysis of your needs.

half pay for days off, as in truth they are not days off, because 'days off' would involve you getting into your own bed at night.

Interested in this as I may be shipping a bass to a buyer in New Jersey. What insurance did you guys get?

Great! I've always said that but for the trauma it would cause others I'd like to die onstage...