Jakester

LOL @ predicable chin wobbling frother outrage whilst completely missing the point. In your rush to be offended, you obviously overlooked this.

Yes, let's keep believing everything we read, and keep on stoking the culture wars, shall we? In relation to J&W, they are brilliant, but very much of their time. When reading it is very jarring to come across terms which are today unacceptable to use in society. According to the papers, the (limited) alterations include "numerous racial terms [which] have been either cut or altered both in character dialogue and narration in the voice of Bertie". None of the terms altered were in any way pivotal to the plot, and, if you're really that bothered, no doubt the original editions will still be published, or there are millions of unexpurgated second-hand copies available. I'm sure you were just as outraged when Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry didn't use the terms in the television adaptations? No? Funny that.... To address your second hyperbolic question, there is a profound difference between fiction, and historical fact. Literally no-one (apart from a few cranks and nut-job deniers) are even suggesting that society should "Destroy and get rid of all Nazi history? Films, books, witness testimony...The Camps??" and to suggest that is not only wrong but also pretty offensive. But hey, if it keeps the Tories in power, it's worth, it, eh @greavesbass?

What a load of reactionary cobblers. Step away from the Daily Heil, mate....

I have some raw maple parts that I would like to stain to achieve a more 'vintage' maple finish. I was looking to put a final finish on of Osmo Polyx Oil, using a 'wipe-on' method, so I would like a stain that can be applied in the same way, and will work with the Osmo. Does anyone have any product recommendations please?

Er, I'm the OP and I didn't mention either?

I had the same queries, and spoke to Bass Bags about it. They recommended a bow and rosin to go with it - and were really helpful.

Double post

At the risk of further derailment, I do think this is completely uncalled for. You've clearly demonstrated you're an insufferable derrière, and when called on it you resort to that, which is puerile and pathetic. I missed whatever went on before the thread was tidied too, but I'm surprised that was left. A gracious 'whoops, I'm sorry' and bowing out would probably have been appropriate at that point.

Or, evidently, both?

Maybe do a bit of neck winding in?

Sounds a bit over-complicated to me! If it's *just* for tone shaping, why not just use a passive EQ pedal? I mean, a *proper* HPF used for tone-shaping purposes isn't really going to be doing much that the subsequent one in the FX loop won't already be doing.

So you want to run *two* HPFs? Why?

Not seen a passive HPF, but there are F-Deck clones out in the wild - one recently sold on the classifieds here, and they're available new here: https://reverb.com/uk/item/13880879-rafferty-hpf-pre-2-bass-preamp-adjustable-high-pass-filter-phase-switch-custom-color

What triple flanged tips do you use, just out of interest?

A couple spring to mind for me. One was driving all the way to Germany for a Forces gig in the Officers’ Mess, setting up, and after the second tune one of the officers sidling over and suggesting we let the DJ take over and to help ourselves to the bar. Still got paid, mind. The second was a gig with a blues band at at nudist camp in winter. I was playing drums for that one, so made sure to angle all the cymbals to obscure as much of the audience as I could. All the (mostly elderly) fellas were nude, and all the women were not. Even the bar man was in the raw, save for a fetching waistcoat. The worst bit was the finger buffet though. As we played, watching the fellas lean across the table to reach the plates at the back right meant when we were invited to partake, we politely declined. It was hilarious watching couples on the dance floor. The ladies held the fellas at arms length the whole time, whangs bobbling around while they were all in their evening finery. One of the stranger evenings I’ve had…

Hi, I suffered with it for a while. For immediate relief, I found the weird arm straps worked okay. This book was recommended to me (possibly on here?) and it's really helped: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1572240393 Doesn't work immediately, but give it a few weeks and you'll hopefully notice a difference.

I strongly object to this reductive characterisation of what is clearly a fairly nuanced discussion to the level of ‘cancel culture’ and ‘a lynch mob’. This is not someone taking imagined offence and requiring everyone else to agree with them; this is a specific practical issue concerning one artist. It’s clear from the replies that there are a range of well-considered views, as there should be with any artistic discourse. Society changes, art changes with it. What might have been appropriate *artistically* 50 years ago may not be now (Brown Sugar being a good example). Discourse about these issues is the very opposite of so-called ‘cancel culture’ in my view.

Well, the decision has been taken to put it to the members on a vote. We don’t generally do that - it’s more a benign dictatorship (and the dictator ain’t me!) so I’ll be interesting to see what the outcome is. Probably 48%/52% knowing our luck!

Well, the specific question was about arranging tunes for an orchestra - which aren't usually best-known for playing originals...😉 Well, that's rather the sort of hyperbolic nonsense I was hoping to avoid . This is a practical issue for us - there have been lots of views aired within the orchestra, but I thought it might be helpful to seek the views of a wider group outside our 'bubble'. On the whole there's been some very sensible and useful comments made, so thanks to all who offered contributions - I will certainly be taking some of the viewpoints on board to inform our discussions.

Yep - one of things to consider is we sometimes do joint gigs with younger age-group ensembles as well, so that possibility might be more than remote for us. True, but conversely we don't *have* to popularise the work of (for example) an absolute shite either when there's other stuff out there. Yep, although I suppose we're trying to pre-empt the outrage, rather than being outraged ourselves! Well put - this is the view I would tend to incline towards personally. Enid Blyton was a horrible, horrible racist. Her books have been 'sanitised' decades ago, well before the current furore over Dahl. Well, that's sort of a wider question - this is to some extent a practical one for us, rather than an abstract philosophical one! I like this view, but then someone pointed to the Rock With You lyrics (not written by MJ) which start: "Girl, close your eyes Let that rhythm get into you Don't try to fight it There ain't nothing that you can do Relax your mind Lay back and groove with mine" To what extent do you then do a 'sense check' of lyrics to check they might not be objectionable? Or again, is that possibly over-sensitive? (I think so). This is a good viewpoint for me. This was specifically in the context of discussion of new arrangements, and whether or not we should go ahead and do an arrangement of MJ music. Not sure which track ATM. We have already performed a Jackson 5 track in the past, after the Netflix doc came out with no objections. Yep! 🤣

Well, I'm trying to separate out listening to, and actively performing the music of potentially problematic artists. I think this is right. Well, we did discuss 'Rock With You' and the lyrics, when considered in the context of the performer, could be taken in a pretty negative light. Nope, it was a sort of 'what do we all think' and then a majority vote. I confess it had entirely passed me by too, but it was literally as the Ukraine conflict was happening, so it was very much front and centre in the news, so could have been seen as being a little insensitive. It's really difficult - sometimes I'm exactly like this, but then I start thinking about it, and swing completely back the other way! For example, I like a lot of Eric Clapton's stuff, but I find his personal views abhorrent - not just his evident racism (which is worse to me given he's benefitted entirely from a form of music derived from black music) but his later conspiracist stuff too. Same sort of thing with Morrissey/The Smiths. I guess day-to-day I listen to it but mutter "tosser" under my breath every now and again. I've been considering performing 'Tears From Heaven' - I have an arrangement which is a cross between the Unplugged and Jeff Berlin's versions, and I love the song, but whilst I'm happy to listen to it, should I be performing it? Well, I'm not so much asking "is it acceptable to listen to X", rather is it acceptable to actively promote and perform that music? I think it's two separate considerations.

Isn't the difference thought that the chair factory worker, bus driver and dentist aren't well-known public figures who stand to benefit from their art? Hmm, I think certainly in MJ's case it's a little more than 'fell from their pedestal', more like sky-dived off it at a million miles an hour, and it's rather more than misgivings. I think it's 'easier' in relation to the other examples I've given - irrespective of the objective morality, the social mores of the time meant it was more accepted to prey on young girls. I think that's rather missing the point - we aren't innocents, unaware of context - which is what's driving the current debate. Thanks for the comments though!

Currently having a very interesting discussion with members of an orchestra I play in. We're lucky enough to have a very talented MD/arranger, who comes up with all manner of fantastic pieces. We were discussing Quincy Jones yesterday, and today he asked whether it is appropriate to perform arrangements of songs by Michael Jackson that QJ produced and arranged. There's been lots of discussion via Whatsapp since; the crux of it is can you and/or should you, separate the art from the artist? For example, I think MJ's solo music is amazing; the fact we're even discussing it shows the material itself is far more worthy of consideration than something by, for example, Gary Glitter. One view is that the art stands alone from its creator - by listening to, and performing, the art itself, you are not condoning or supporting the acts of its creator. Conversely, the other is that the art is irrevocably linked with the acts of its creator and their legacy, and to perform (for example) MJ's songs, it is either ignoring, or giving tacit approval to, the problematic behaviour of the artist. But once you start disappearing down the rabbit hole of dubious acts by prominent musicians there's all manner of things - Jimmy Page, David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Eric Clapton being some examples -that might undermine their artistry. So where do you draw the line? Is there a line? Is there a difference between listening to the music and performing it? Is there a difference between covering it and doing a complete new arrangement? There's also the particular issue for us on to what extent should we take the views of the performers about the repertoire into account? For example, should one person be able to veto a tune because (for example) its lyrical content raises issues in their own life? One illustration is that we had an arrangement of 'Two Tribes' we were going to perform, but then the Ukraine conflict broke out, so we decided to shelve it for a while, but recently performed it with no objection from audience or performers (TBH it hadn't even occurred to me until someone raised it that there might be an issue!) So I'm interested in views people might have on these issues. I don't think there's a "right" or "wrong" answer (other than knee-jerk accusations of 'wokery') - what do you think?

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