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Popup blocker activated! [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1382614076' post='2254355'] Claims are one thing, reality is another. The Bose guys aren't going to say anything but though are they? If you've got the money to invest, a digital desk, some time to learn it (e.g. the processing for compression, gates, reverb and other fx, 31 band eqs on the outputs), and a decent set of front of houses (and monitors if you need) will kill everything. It will also future proof you for many, many years. Outboard will become a thing of the desk given the trend of digital desks at the moment. Seriously. (PS if they above is trolling, I apologise in advance (and I know you have me on block anyways) - but this post is for the benefit of others who may be in a similar situation to the OP) [/quote]

[quote name='drTStingray' timestamp='1382601000' post='2254072'] The mutes are on all basses up to about 94 incl Sterlings. Then the same bridge was used with the mute plate removed for a couple of years. The 20th anni Ray introduced a shorter bridge without the mutes followed through to standard production from then to date. All classic basses have them - Sabre Ray and Strtling. They are so easy to use I have wound them on during sets, and remember this is major flexibility - just using them on the E is great for slap - wind them on a little for a slight muted sound - all the way for real Motown thump but combined with sort of clarity live you expect on a recorded P bass. I've used them for recording and they make things really thumpy. The mute rubbers they used on pre EBs used to fall off - the one on my G fell off on about the third gig I did with it about 1980 - if you look at pics of pino in the early. 80s one of his is missing. Not uncommon to find pre EBs with the whole lot missing these days. Just a little pointer to how manufacturing and materials have improved since the 50s 60s 70s! Those of us who had cars back then vividly remember - switches and sun visors could come off in your hand lol! Imagine the mechanicals!!! [/quote] Most early ninetees ones I have seen had the Allen head screws in place of the mute kit, flea era as most people call it.

My modern ones are sliding around! I made a set for my pre eb from black foam, perfect.

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1382609520' post='2254247'] Exactly this. If you want old school Bose, get some cheapy cabs, turn them on their side and attach a couple of bog rolls to the front. Job done. [/quote] There is no need to bring barefaced into this!

[quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1382608293' post='2254221'] To be fair, I thought that Bose say that this rig is SUPPOSED to go behind the band? This is why I suspect the OP has it set up as such. I can't see it working for a rock band though. [/quote] I can't see it working ever, sound is sound where ever it comes from surely? Maybe it's designed to go behind but not with a full band mix just like a regular bass amp?

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1382608082' post='2254216'] What? No mention of the Behringer feedback destroyer? [/quote] Oh well that's different then, as you can cut out all of the frequencies the mics are picking up placed in front of the....hang on a minute......

[quote name='The Dark Lord' timestamp='1382091098' post='2247712'] [size=4]I'm on the horns of a dilemma.[/size] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]We want a compact PA system for our three piece pub rock / pop band.[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]The band consists of two affluent business owners and a professional drummer. We have the money to buy whatever we want. The three main criteria are portability, sound quality and enough volume.[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]For the last couple of years, we have been using 2 x Roland SA-300s as a stereo PA. We use it for vocals only. Very good sound and plenty powerful for the small to medium pub scene. Have been using 3 x Behringer B205D monitors of late (which are very good).[/size][/size][/font] [size=2][size=4][font="Helvetica"]However, the Rolands in their flight cases are bulky and heavy.[/font] [/size][/size][font=Helvetica]Time for hi-tech and portability.[/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]We have purchased a Bose L1 Model II cylindrical column with the big B2 bass bin and the T1 Tonematch system. This goes [i]behind[/i] the band and has a superb sound. But, even though Bose say it doesn’t – it feeds back at volume. It’s great for our quieter semi-acoustic gigs. Unbelievably easy to transport and set up. Fantastic sound quality – and our vocals improve as it sits behind us and we hear what the audience hear.[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]We have considered getting a second one of these but we’re not 100 % convinced that just adding a second will give us enough power. I have provoked a technical discussion on the Bose L1 forum which has got me more confused. Apparently, according the main technical guru on there, we will only add 3dB of gain before feedback by adding a second unit.[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]So, do we risk spending another £2,800 on the prospect of maybe having enough vocal volume?[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]Or, does someone have a suggestion? Great quality sound, very portable, loud enough for pub gigs up to about 300 people, money no object.[/size][/size][/font] [font=Helvetica][size=2][size=4]I’m all ears.[/size][/size][/font] [/quote] yes definitely buy another one and put that behind the band too it's sure to help cut feedback!

Our sound guy has done two gigs a week since the mid eightees, he still can't work a pa!

They just press against the strings the same as putting a foam block down there like the Motown players did, turn the screws to engage. Only on pre eb basses, new classicrays and Ernie ball basses up to around 1990 ish although the bridge with the holes for then carried on for a while after and you can fit a mute kit for £25.

Cushdy

I'd hand out hats on the door to people foolish enough to leave home to attend a jazz club without one! (For a small fee naturally)

[quote name='MattM' timestamp='1382559332' post='2253764'] 2EQ. Bass full on. Treble on only a nadge. Sexual. [/quote] Yep the john east is probably a bit too much but I still go to 3/4 bass boost.

Found this! I'm going to go along to a gig if I can find anyone to go with http://www.staffordjazz.org

Can't find it on the thomann site but they do have this?http://www.thomann.de/gb/ibanez_gsr206_bk.htm

I know a guy with a Cort (I think) 6 string, thomann purchase I think, nice bass that looks very expensive but was within your budget I think. The Tony Levin olp 5 string stingrays are nice if one pops up for sale but they have a slightly tighter spacing than an ebmm Ray 5.

I don't know any local DB players, there is no jazz jam either My mate lives in Bristol and we went in the old duke the other day, that venue looks like where I want to be! I think my obvious starting place is to ring Tim tofts and ask them if they know a local tutor.

I just wish there were plenty of dedicated double bass teachers nearby

Don't boost the treble, maybe a tiny but not as much as the bass, go on you will love it

I prefer her on upright but then again she is funky on the fretless!

Yep yep yep! I have her album on loop when doing diy

Get that bass boosted machinehead!

Lots of us have been here in the last year or so, for me I'm glad I went for a new Gedo Musik bass, there might be better basses used for the same or less money but finding one and knowing it if it hit me in the face isn't easy! Best of luck with it and get watching Geoffs discover double bass videos

[quote name='stoo' timestamp='1382473125' post='2252687'] Is the 2EQ in the classic the same as a regular EBMM 2EQ? Is there all that much difference between either and the John East ones? [/quote] They are meant to be electronically identicle to the last 79> version but mine was really lifeless, it may have been damaged in some way? I got the bass in a trade rather than new. JE does a sneaky 3 band version in two pots but I wanted to keep it as a 2 band as I have 2 other 3 band rays anyway. The John East circuits just have more of everything no matter which bass you have, the p bass circuit that charges via the jack socket is brilliant!

[IMG]http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af100/stingraypete/20130623_171159_zpsda369c66.jpg[/IMG] Black one is the best, 2007 body transition model with all the new updates other than it is ceramic not alnico but it has a 2004 neck rather than the pau ferro fretless and matched headstock it left california with, I swapped the pearloid plate for a genuine gloss black one too, its brilliant and always sounds good live or recorded.