MDA Detune Effect From a Pedal?

[Rumple]

In Cubase I have been using the free plug-in by MDA called Detune on the fretless bass parts and really like the sound a lot so I was wondering what sort of pedal I would need to recreate this sound in a live situation, to me it doesn't sound like any Boss phasers, chorus or flangers I owned in the 80's.


Any help would be appreciated.




R.




[attachment=39242:MDA_Detune.jpg]

[dannybuoy]

Looks like this plugin mixes in a pitch-shifted voice rather than modulate the pitch like a chorus pedal does. The POG2 may be overkill but might do the trick:

Edited January 3, 2010 by dannybuoy

[Rumple]

[quote name='dannybuoy' post='699691' date='Jan 3 2010, 05:01 PM']Looks like this plugin mixes in a pitch-shifted voice rather than modulate the pitch like a chorus pedal does. The POG2 may be overkill but might do the trick:[/quote]


Good point dannybouy it isn't a modulated sound just an added voice pitch shifted, the POG2 would be an expensive way to reproduce a free plug-in, I wounder if there is something a bit cheaper that does the same job, I have Octavers and they don't do it as it's a perfect octave, I need something that makes me sound even more out of tune on a fretless

[ritch]

I have one of these, which works excellently on bass. It's got a detune function, and the ability to mix this with your bypassed sound.



Not that expensive - probably a third of the price of the POG!

[Rumple]

[quote name='ritch' post='699793' date='Jan 3 2010, 06:32 PM']I have one of these, which works excellently on bass. It's got a detune function, and the ability to mix this with your bypassed sound.


Not that expensive - probably a third of the price of the POG![/quote]

Cheers ritch,

I had a look at some YouTube videos of the PS-5, they were all demos on guitar sadly but it may do what I need, does it has a control for delaying (Latency on the plug-in) when the shifted note starts? Also is the pitch knob infinitely variable or click in preset increments?




R.

Edited January 3, 2010 by Rumple

[ritch]

[quote name='Rumple' post='699837' date='Jan 3 2010, 07:01 PM']Cheers ritch,

I had a look at some YouTube videos of the PS-5, they were all demos on guitar sadly but it may do what I need, does it has a control for delaying (Latency on the plug-in) when the shifted note starts? Also is the pitch knob infinitely variable or click in preset increments?




R.[/quote]

Nope - the pitch knob will move it up or down by a 3rd, 5th, 7th, 1 octave or 2 octaves (worked out from which Key you have the "HR Key" knob set to).

To be honest I haven't used it for any of the doubling up notes effects, just the tremelo arm setting, so I can press the pedal to make it dive bomb to an octave below.

Rich

[cheddatom]

the chorus on a digitech whammy might be appropriate.

[Rumple]

[quote name='ritch' post='699935' date='Jan 3 2010, 08:30 PM']Nope - the pitch knob will move it up or down by a 3rd, 5th, 7th, 1 octave or 2 octaves (worked out from which Key you have the "HR Key" knob set to).

To be honest I haven't used it for any of the doubling up notes effects, just the tremelo arm setting, so I can press the pedal to make it dive bomb to an octave below.

Rich[/quote]


Drat as I think it's the fact that the second note is slightly out of tune that is creating the sound I like.

Thanks for your help.


R.

[Rumple]

[quote name='cheddatom' post='700274' date='Jan 4 2010, 10:30 AM']the chorus on a digitech whammy might be appropriate.[/quote]

Is the chorus on the wammy the same as other chorus effects? I have tried a couple and they dont give quite the same sound as the pug-in.


Cheers


R.

[cheddatom]

To my ears, it sounds closer to what you're after than a boss chorus for example.

[Rumple]

Thanks for the info cheddatom, I'll put the Whammy on my list of pedals to try.


R.

[xgsjx]

My Zoom 708 has the very thing you're after & funnily enough, it's called Detune. I bought mine for £26 of ebay & have given it to my mandolinist to use on her mandolin, but she's reluctant to use it!

[Sibob]

The Morpheus Droptune looks very impressive on guitar, seems to track full chords very well.

I'd be extremely interested to see if it worked on bass!



Si

[Rumple]

[quote name='xgsjx' post='701595' date='Jan 5 2010, 01:54 PM']My Zoom 708 has the very thing you're after & funnily enough, it's called Detune. I bought mine for £26 of ebay & have given it to my mandolinist to use on her mandolin, but she's reluctant to use it![/quote]


I had a quick look at the Zoom website and it does seem that their multi effect pedals have the detune function so this could be a cheap option to get the sound I want. I'm not a fan of red or multi effects units but hey if it get the job done cheaply I can't complain

Many Thanks.

[Rumple]

[quote name='Sibob' post='701615' date='Jan 5 2010, 02:12 PM']The Morpheus Droptune looks very impressive on guitar, seems to track full chords very well.

I'd be extremely interested to see if it worked on bass!



Si[/quote]

Cheers Si,

That's a pretty impressive polyphonic pedal, any idea how much it cost? there was no mention of a blend control between the dropped and original tone which seems like an omission.


R.

[Sibob]

I think the only blend possible is on the octave down (the furthest light on the left), not sure why you'd want to blend the original signal into a step or two steps down etc.....would sound dreadful lol.

They look like they're coming in at about £149

Si

[Rumple]

[quote name='Sibob' post='701688' date='Jan 5 2010, 03:08 PM']I think the only blend possible is on the octave down (the furthest light on the left), not sure why you'd want to blend the original signal into a step or two steps down etc.....would sound dreadful lol.

They look like they're coming in at about £149

Si[/quote]


Weirdly that's what I'm doing with the plug-in, the dropped signal is only on at 40% causing a kinda subtle chorus effect but without any added modulation. maybe it's just covering up my poor fretless technique


R.

[Sibob]

Yeah I can understand blending an octave-down signal with an original signal, but not blending a normal signal (say an E) with a signal that is only detuned 2 steps, that would be a low E with a low C blended in.....yuk!

Si

[Rumple]

As I understand it (wrongly probably) the detuned note I'm using is only a fraction of a semi tone out of tune creating a thickening effect, don't quote me on that though!

[cheddatom]

Yeh if it's a fraction out it's a chorusy effect, if it was a semi tone or a tone out it would be a bit horrible (not necessarily bad).

[Rumple]

Thanks everyone for their help on this, unless someone comes up with another option I think I'll start out by trying the Zoom, I prefer small pedals to multi effects but this is the cheapest route so it's got to worth a go. if it doesn't dp the job I'll try some of the other suggestions.


R.

[Sibob]

You get what you pay for imo

Si

[Rumple]

Wise words Si, but sometimes that rule doesn't hold up for me, for instance I have an expensive EBS MultiComp which is excellent but I prefer to use a CS-2 most of the time - Odd I know

[cheddatom]

I use loads of cheap pedals. I used to use a zoom gfx707 in combination with lots of other more expensive pedals and only ever had positive comments.

[Sibob]

Fair enough, and to be fair, I don't use enough (or any?!) effects to have a decent enough opinion. But my limited experience with cheap effects is that they don't track as well as higher end gear. Obviously I understand that there are exceptions, cheap Choruses and distortions, compressors etc, people like......but effects that require decent tracking, like detuners, usually benefit from being of good quality.

Si