Al Krow Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, eude said: If I had the money, I'd just buy a Helix, but I've gone from selling all my pedals, bar one, to buy a wee Zoom thing to stretching my budget a little in the hope of getting something with a little bit more for less than a real Helix... If it can match Zoom for sound quality I'll be delighted, and if it has solid build quality even better! I'm going to hold fire till all the NAMM announcements have been made, but I'm getting pretty close to pulling the trigger now. Eude Hah - you've got me gassing for a Hotone now (and I've got a Helix Stomp - lol). I've got my Helix on my main board and I was thinking of setting up a little mini board for rehearsals when I can't be doing with the faff of taking a lot of gear out. But looking at the Hotone that frankly could be the mini board! Lol! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I do like the look of that - mostly the size, which is the thing I have the problem with for the Helix. The Full and LT are too big, and the stomp is too small to have enough control. Would be interesting in seeing wehre that goes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Even has an xlr out! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 And a headphone out and aux in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazBeen Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 It also cooks breakfast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, HazBeen said: It also cooks breakfast Shame, I don't really do breakfast. Would it do brunch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazBeen Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, eude said: Shame, I don't really do breakfast. Would it do brunch? If you take it to the pub on Fridays probably yes... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 26 minutes ago, HazBeen said: It also cooks breakfast I've checked the manual. It doesn't do a full English. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, eude said: Shame, I don't really do breakfast. Would it do brunch? Might have to wait for the next one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Well Si very kindly went and had a look. He says the patch setup is pretty easy, the touch screen isn't as sensitive as hoped (perhaps its and old school capacitive one) but works well enough. His only concern is that you can't run parallel signals across the whole thing, so you're relying on the patches to have wet/dry control, which not all of them do. The only that would really be an issue is when using drive modes I expect, however there are two bass specific drives, both with wet/dry. There's loads of other guitar ones though, which have the ability to EQ, but it's not quite the same. Fear not though, I expect there will be more options with this stuff if you're plugged into a computer, and there's bound to be updates, patches, new effects etcs. Si also confirmed that you can order the effects as you wish, as you just assign them to "FX Bays". If you check the manual out >> http://www.hotoneaudio.com/downloads/manual/Ampero/MP-100(Ampero)_Online Manual_EN_V01_190119.pdf You can see the extent of the patches and sims, and what they're based on, it looks pretty good, better for guitarists obviously, but we don't have equality yet Looks to me that, much like everyone else doing similar things, you can set up sound patches, with everything you want and then recall them as you need them, or just use it more like a set of stomp boxes. I'm extremely close to pulling the trigger on one. They're up for preorder all over now, but I expect they will sell out fast... Eude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 When I asked about global parallel processing (Ie a ‘blend’ for everything) they were like ‘oh that’s a good idea’.....so who knows, you may even get a firmware update sometime Si 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sibob said: When I asked about global parallel processing (Ie a ‘blend’ for everything) they were like ‘oh that’s a good idea’.....so who knows, you may even get a firmware update sometime Si Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Still very much on the fence here, splash £350 on this, or just go for the Zoom B3n?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, eude said: Still very much on the fence here, splash £350 on this, or just go for the Zoom B3n?... Tricky. You can pick up a used B3N for around the £100 mark and it's a really good pedal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Tricky. You can pick up a used B3N for around the £100 mark and it's a really good pedal. Yup. I'm basically looking for a some decent effects for occasional use. A few reasonable amp and cab sims Distortion - good drive through to all out dirt Octaver Chorus Reverb AutoWah, although the ability to have regular Wah with an expression pedal is very desirable A Whammy type effect with an expression pedal would rock Aux in - Headphone out A DI would be nice but not a deal breaker I'm not massive concerned about insanely crystal clear reproductions of exisiting pedals, it just needs to work well with active bass and not be too fiddly. My main concerns with the Ampero is the price compared to the B3n, I could pick up a new B3n and an expression for less than 50% of the cost, and the fact that the Ampero is designed with Guitarists in mind first, with a smattering of bass specific content, is this similar to the Helix? I'm only really going to be using this for home use for a while, but I know from previous experience, Zoom stuff is extremely hard to kill even when gigged a lot... Eude Edited January 28, 2019 by eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I must admit after using the HX Effects for a short while, I have gone back to the B3 for a bit. The HX can do so much more, and it is great on the guitar, but after repairing the B3, it kind of does what I want at the moment, so until i get a set of patches I like, it might just stay there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: I must admit after using the HX Effects for a short while, I have gone back to the B3 for a bit. The HX can do so much more, and it is great on the guitar, but after repairing the B3, it kind of does what I want at the moment, so until i get a set of patches I like, it might just stay there. That's the kind of issue I was worried about, what with the Ampero being design for guitar first, and the B3n being all about that bass, if you'll pardon the pun. Sound quality wise, do you find that the B3n is good enough? Edited January 28, 2019 by eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 hours ago, eude said: That's the kind of issue I was worried about, what with the Ampero being design for guitar first, and the B3n being all about that bass, if you'll pardon the pun. Sound quality wise, do you find that the B3n is good enough? DOn't know, I don't have a B3n, just a B3. When I am sitting at home I think the helix sounds better. When I am in a pub playing covers at high volumes (and way too fast), it is certainly good enough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Woodinblack said: Don't know, I don't have a B3n, just a B3. When I am sitting at home I think the helix sounds better. When I am in a pub playing covers at high volumes (and way too fast), it is certainly good enough That sums the whole gear journey up for me perfectly, Woody! I hear and appreciate the nuances of great tone when practising at home. Live with full band and ear plugs in, not so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Oh, dear. I'll be using it at home almost exclusively, maybe for a bit of recording too. I also do have a couple of guitars, so having something guitar friendly would probably be useful. I'm swinging back to the Ampero again, I was hoping Zoom would've come along with something a little like that at NAMM but they only revised their lower end offerings... Confused... Eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 4 hours ago, eude said: I'll be using it at home almost exclusively, maybe for a bit of recording too. I also do have a couple of guitars, so having something guitar friendly would probably be useful. If I was home only and recording I would get helix native. Failing that a helix LT. Or if I had less money I would be happy with a B3(n). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 8 hours ago, Woodinblack said: If I was home only and recording I would get helix native. Failing that a helix LT. Or if I had less money I would be happy with a B3(n). I do have less money, which is bringing me back to the Ampero, again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Just for info, the Mooer GE300 is going to be roughly £699 according to the Andertons guys >> That only make's it £50 shy of a proper Helix LT, right? Coming in April 2019. If I worked in sales at Line6, I'd be dropping the price of the Helix LT by £75 just before this came out... Eude Edited January 29, 2019 by eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 Wow! That is interesting. Mooer's pitch is cheap and cheerful + reasonable quality (that's sometimes been ripped off). Well if they're going head to head with Line 6, then I know which horse I'll be staying on! 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Wow! That is interesting. Mooer's pitch is cheap and cheerful + reasonable quality (that's sometimes been ripped off). Well if they're going head to head with Line 6, then I know which horse I'll be staying on! 😎 Yup, I think they've aimed a little too high there. They've apparently got a GE150 coming too with the same engine and less buttons like the Ampero, wonder where that will sit price wise? Eude Edited January 29, 2019 by eude No with piccie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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