What Multi-effect pedal??

[Phaedrus]

[quote name='Wud' post='633655' date='Oct 22 2009, 06:46 PM']
I really dont think you want to try and send a 48v Phantom Power supply into any unit via an XLR Output.
The XLR output won't accept Phantom Power into the the unit, as it's not a Mic Preamp.
You quoted the answer after your question

Phantom Power is to power Condenser Mics and not a way to provide pedals with 9volt power over an XLR out[/quote]

Thanks for your input Wud, but before you go misleading someone else reading this thread, and perhaps to enlighten yourself, check out page 7 of this owner manual for the Hartke VXL Bass Attack:

[url="http://s3.amazonaws.com/samsontech/related_docs/BassAttack_ownman_v6.pdf"]http://s3.amazonaws.com/samsontech/related...k_ownman_v6.pdf[/url]


"[i][b]Power the BASS ATTACK[/b]
[color="#FF0000"]You can power the Bass Attack [/color]with a standard 9-volt battery, a standard DC power adapter, or [color="#FF0000"]by applying standard 48-volt phantom power[/color]. You can use which ever power source is most convenient, however, you should keep in mind that there are, from time-time, trade-offs. You may have a well grounded live sound or studio set-up that will not exhibit ground loop problems, but when you are on the road or in other studios you can have ground loops. Because of possible ground loops, which are part of live sound and recording, you may want to consider using a battery to keep the grounds from the Bass Attack isolated from the grounds the rest of your gear. You can check the phantom or AC operation with a quick sound check to listen for any buzzing. If there is no buzz you have a well-grounded system. If your hear buzzing, go to battery operation. Hey, life’s a trade off, so is powering your audio gear.

[b]PHANTOM ON - OFF / GROUND CONNECT / LIFT SWITCH[/b]
The PHANTOM ON -OFF / GROUND CONNECT / LIFT SWITCH is a latching switch that provides two functions at the same time. In the up position, the switch connects Ground on the XLR cable, and by doing that, the switch also allows the unit to be powered by a phantom power supply. When the switch is set to the down position, the ground is disconnected, and therefore, the phantom power operation is disabled.

[b]Using Phantom Power[/b]
[color="#FF0000"]If you are connecting to a mixer that has phantom power, the Bass Attack can be powered by connecting a standard mic cable to the Direct Output[/color]. Be sure to check that the mixer’s phantom power switch is set to the “on” position. Then, make sure that the PHANTOM ON - OFF /GROUND CONNECT / LIFT SWITCH is out so that phantom power is enabled.[/i]"


The VXL is not alone in its ability to be powered by 48v phantom from a mixer.


I may be visiting my local dealer to try to trade my TNT150BW against a B2.1U in the next week or so. I'm not currently gigging, so for now I can do without the amp. I reckon I'll give the compressor in the B2.1U a chance before getting a separate compressor.


Mark

Edited October 23, 2009 by Phaedrus

[cheddatom]

The cubase that comes with the pedal is good, and as soon as you get it, you'vve basically got yourself a latency free high quality audio interface. You do have to monitor your sound through the pedal though, which could be annoying depending on what sort of speaker set up you have at your PC.

[Phaedrus]

Thanks CT.

Do you connect your guitar/keyboard/mic into the B2.1U for recording those?

Local dealer has it the B2.1U for €168. The TNT might just cover that . . .

Dearer than the online places, but I do need to trade in.


Mark

[cheddatom]

Yeh your bass goes into the input, your speakers go into the output, and a usb cable goes to your computer. Then you install the asio drivers for the zoom interface. Then install cubase, and select the zoom soundcard and away you go! I've never tried it with a mic so i'm not sure how well that would work, but I used to use it to practice with Ampeg SVX with no latency on my media PC (IE one with a crap soundcard) and it worked great.

[Wud]

Hi Phaedrus,

Thats astounding.
I've never heard of powering a unit with Phantom Power via its audio output before.
Receiving Phantom Power via an audio input yes, but I've never seen an output offer this facility before.
How times change.

[Phaedrus]

Hi Wud, I don't know if you're being sarcastic - you didn't use smilies to indicate, but your tone seems sarcastic to me. And that's fine - I use a little myself from time to time.

I don't know your level of experience or areas of expertise, but (I really don't intend to sound patronising with this - I apologise if I do) maybe there's just some confusion or misunderstanding regarding the terms/principles involved with phantom power:

The VXL Bass Attack (and other similar products) can be powered by 48v phantom power supplied [i]from[/i] a mixer's XLR audio [i]input[/i], [i]into[/i] the VXL Bass Attack's XLR audio [i]output[/i].

That's how phantom power works - it travels in the opposite direction to that of the audio signal. Same principle whether the source being powered is a condenser mic or a DI unit.

A few clarifications/definitions:

The XLR connector of the VXL Bass Attack is an audio [i]output[/i].

The XLR connectors on the channels of a mixer are audio [i]inputs[/i].

The VXL Bass Attack can be powered by receiving 48v phantom power [i]from[/i] a mixer's XLR audio [i]input[/i], [i]into[/i] the VXL Bass Attack's XLR audio [i]output[/i] connector.

A repeat of a key quote from the VXL Bass Attack user manual:

[color="#FF0000"] [i]If you are connecting to a mixer that has phantom power, the Bass Attack can be powered by connecting a standard mic cable to the [b]Direct Output[/b][/i][/color]


Here's a different product type that can also receive 48v phantom power [i]from[/i] a mixer [i]into[/i] its XLR audio [i]output[/i]:

[url="http://www.peavey-eu.com/pop_product.php?flag=IE&lan=UK&key=1882"]http://www.peavey-eu.com/pop_product.php?f...UK&key=1882[/url]

"[i][color="#FF0000"]DI XLR output with fail-safe phantom power backup capability[/color][/i]"


There's a link on this page ( [url="http://www.stagebeat.co.uk/P/5390/RQ+2318"]http://www.stagebeat.co.uk/P/5390/RQ+2318[/url] ) to the user manual for my band's PA mixer, the Peavey RQ2318.

This quote from the manual talks about the mixer's 48v phantom power capability:

"[i][b]14. PHANTOM POWER SWITCH:[/b]
Applies 48VDC voltage to the [b]input XLR connectors[/b] to power microphones that require it. If phantom power is used, do not connect unbalanced dynamic microphones or other devices to the XLR inputs that cannot handle this voltage...[/i]"


If anyone else reading this can correct me on anything I'm saying, please do.

Mark

Edited October 25, 2009 by Phaedrus

[MacDaddy]

can anyone point me in the direction of sound clips for the Zoom?

ta

[Wud]

Hi Mark,

No sarcasm intended, just honest surprise.
I'd never before heard of a single FX unit that could accept being powered over an XLR output by way of Phantom Power.
Hence my obsevation of how things have changed.
I've been using and working with pro audio for 21 years, and this is a new one to me.

Did you get any answeres regarding the abaility of the Zoom to run off Phantom Power?

If not, I can ask our Zoom rep if you'd like

Cheers

[quote name='Phaedrus' post='636160' date='Oct 25 2009, 02:56 PM']Hi Wud, I don't know if you're being sarcastic - you didn't use smilies to indicate, but your tone seems sarcastic to me. And that's fine - I use a little myself from time to time.

I don't know your level of experience or areas of expertise, but (I really don't intend to sound patronising with this - I apologise if I do) maybe there's just some confusion or misunderstanding regarding the terms/principles involved with phantom power:

The VXL Bass Attack (and other similar products) can be powered by 48v phantom power supplied [i]from[/i] a mixer's XLR audio [i]input[/i], [i]into[/i] the VXL Bass Attack's XLR audio [i]output[/i].

That's how phantom power works - it travels in the opposite direction to that of the audio signal. Same principle whether the source being powered is a condenser mic or a DI unit.

A few clarifications/definitions:

The XLR connector of the VXL Bass Attack is an audio [i]output[/i].

The XLR connectors on the channels of a mixer are audio [i]inputs[/i].

The VXL Bass Attack can be powered by receiving 48v phantom power [i]from[/i] a mixer's XLR audio [i]input[/i], [i]into[/i] the VXL Bass Attack's XLR audio [i]output[/i] connector.

A repeat of a key quote from the VXL Bass Attack user manual:

[color="#FF0000"] [i]If you are connecting to a mixer that has phantom power, the Bass Attack can be powered by connecting a standard mic cable to the [b]Direct Output[/b][/i][/color]


Here's a different product type that can also receive 48v phantom power [i]from[/i] a mixer [i]into[/i] its XLR audio [i]output[/i]:

[url="http://www.peavey-eu.com/pop_product.php?flag=IE&lan=UK&key=1882"]http://www.peavey-eu.com/pop_product.php?f...UK&key=1882[/url]

"[i][color="#FF0000"]DI XLR output with fail-safe phantom power backup capability[/color][/i]"


There's a link on this page ( [url="http://www.stagebeat.co.uk/P/5390/RQ+2318"]http://www.stagebeat.co.uk/P/5390/RQ+2318[/url] ) to the user manual for my band's PA mixer, the Peavey RQ2318.

This quote from the manual talks about the mixer's 48v phantom power capability:

"[i][b]14. PHANTOM POWER SWITCH:[/b]
Applies 48VDC voltage to the [b]input XLR connectors[/b] to power microphones that require it. If phantom power is used, do not connect unbalanced dynamic microphones or other devices to the XLR inputs that cannot handle this voltage...[/i]"


If anyone else reading this can correct me on anything I'm saying, please do.

Mark[/quote]

[Phaedrus]

Cool.

No further info on the B2.1U being powerable by phantom. As it's not mentioned in any way in the manual, I take that to mean phantom power via XLR isn't possible. If you could get that info from a Zoom guy, that'd be great. I take it you're "in the trade"?

To be honest, even if phantom power isn't possible with the B2.1U, I'll probably still get one - I'll just continue to use my VXL as the last-in-line in my chain, and just use the Zoom for the effects & compressor.


MacDaddy, there are a few "reviews" of the B2.1u (and the B2, which I checked out too, on the presumption that the sounds could be the same) on youtube, but none I've viewed have decent enough sound quality to be able to make a confident assessment:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l813cvyQjJA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l813cvyQjJA[/url]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45MIzb0QNSU&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45MIzb0QNSU...feature=related[/url]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l813cvyQjJA&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l813cvyQjJA...feature=related[/url]


Mark

[Hoffbass]

[quote name='MoJoKe' post='313803' date='Oct 24 2008, 02:02 PM']I don't normally use pedals, just occasionally my trusty old Aria Chorus, but it died yesterday!!

I also tried a Basspod, but hated it... Way too digital and complicated and nothing on the floor to kick!

I am thinking of buying a new multi effect, mainly for a bit of chorus, octaver and some echo/looping. I don't really want to spend hundreds, as it don't think I'll get full value from it, what should I buy??[/quote]

Hi there

I use a Boss GT10b and I can tell its absolutely great.Rock solid,tons of useful sounds.All I need recently just a good octaver,auto wah,and distortion sometimes.So I can't use its full potential but it's a fun experimenting with it.Before I bought it I didnt really trust digital sounds but this is great and easy to use.A brand new would cost you around 400£ but second hand you can get it far more cheaper in mint condition.Worth to try it!

[BassMunkee]

LINE 6 POD XT LIVE.

No contest!

[superretard5]

I've got the B2.1u..........Only critisism would be the Wah is rubbish.

[LeadBass]

[quote name='BassMunkee' post='1019099' date='Nov 10 2010, 06:09 PM']LINE 6 POD XT LIVE.

No contest![/quote]


Agreed. Played a hundred shows in 2 years with mine (and rehearsed about the same again), and it never let me down once.

[freakbrother]

In my opinion the best multieffect pedal its the boss gt10b.
Awesome Pedal has all what you ever need, of course (for my ears) very good sounds
very good amp simulations, extra effect loop, di box, 40 sec. looper etc. etc.

But only my opinion

Edited January 21, 2011 by freakbrother

[Stuee]

I'd be amazed if [i]anyone[/i] bought a GT-10B after seeing this dude demo it at NAMM in 2008! haha

No, but seriously...

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9Q3GZrlRx0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9Q3GZrlRx0[/url]

[Axebassmurderer]

How much Peter?


[quote name='GreeneKing' post='319866' date='Nov 1 2008, 11:42 PM']If your musings leads you in the direction of Line6's BassPod XT Live I'm not using mine and could be persueded to part company with it.

Peter[/quote]

[Sibob]

I'm kinda simple with my pedals, so I'm gonna throw in a vote for the Boss ME-50B (think its the 70B now?!). Largely set out like an analogue pedal (there is a digital element for programming, but I never use it). Three pedal sections with around 10 FX per section, so you can layer three different effects at one time. Plus the expression pedal can be switched between volume, wah, resonance (my fave choice), +1/-1 Octave (whammy style), and the rather un-useable options of 'hold note' and kick drum...ignore those two

I love mine anyway

Si

[MrRatty]

One feature which I've found immensely useful (particularly when using fuzz & distortions)) is being able to blend some dry signal into the output. Not all multi effect pedals can do this so if you think this will be important for you then make sure it's there in whatever you choose. This feature is available directly in the Line 6 Bass PODxt and in the Boss GT10b and Line 6 HD500 through the use of the dual effects routes (the latter is not strictly a bass pedal). It could be available in other multi effects - I don't know. It is the lack of this feature which has put me off things such as the M9 and M13 which otherwise look fantastic.