Bigwan Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 http://www.rondomusic.com/defiant53437nat.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visog Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Cheap as chips - although it'll probably the same price in £s if it ever makes it over here. Good way of testing out multiscale before laying out £3k+ on a Dingbat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronj279 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Saw this posted by No Treble yesterday. would be curious to compare it to the Dingwall. It is a fraction of the cost after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodiakblair Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Read about it last week on TB. It really upset the Dingwall owners. " It's a rip-off " " But Dingwall don't hold the fanned fret patent Novax do " " Well Dingwall's licensed is the Brice ? " " No the patent's lapsed so it's open source " " Well it's still a rip off and probably has a sharp fret too " Love reading those threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 I don't think it has upset me too much as a Dingwall owner because someone else is doing a fan-fret design. Novak is the patent owner and yes Dingwall do pay a license fee to use the 'technology', which I think is brilliant. So as long as Brice are also paying to use Novak's design then cool too. I guess I've never liked any company that 'copies' other people's kit like for like*. Maybe it could be said that the body design does remind you of the Dingwall? Brice could have been a bit less obvious in that respect. * yup even all those basses that look exactly like P,J and MM basses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodiakblair Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 dood Dingwall don't pay Novak anything anymore. The patent expired so no-one pays to use the fan-fret idea. That's how patents work, you develop an idea and the patent makes sure you are paid by anyone using your idea For a Set Time. It's different from copyright or trademark. How do you feel about the Super P & J models ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 What about Dingwall P and J basses then? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 [quote name='kodiakblair' timestamp='1417466844' post='2620708'] dood Dingwall don't pay Novak anything anymore. The patent expired so no-one pays to use the fan-fret idea. That's how patents work, you develop an idea and the patent makes sure you are paid by anyone using your idea For a Set Time. It's different from copyright or trademark. How do you feel about the Super P & J models ? [/quote] Beat me to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 [quote name='kodiakblair' timestamp='1417466844' post='2620708'] dood Dingwall don't pay Novak anything anymore. The patent expired so no-one pays to use the fan-fret idea. That's how patents work, you develop an idea and the patent makes sure you are paid by anyone using your idea For a Set Time. It's different from copyright or trademark. How do you feel about the Super P & J models ? [/quote] Thank you, I know how patents work ;o) I wasn't aware that the patent *had* lapsed though. On the back of my (newish) Dingwall bass the patent number for the Novax fan fret system and 'Used Under License' is printed on the compartment cover. Even the new NG-2 has the patent number stamped on. I guess if they don't have to pay anymore, then it's Dingwall just being a good company honouring where the design came from right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1417466913' post='2620711'] What about Dingwall P and J basses then? Lol [/quote] I feel that these *are* a substantial difference from just copying a bass exactly right down to the last detail. The Super models are a proper evolution. I do prefer the AB and Z models though. That's just what I like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodiakblair Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Maybe they're honouring the design or they might just have a load of control covers. Either way the Brice ain't gonna hurt their business all combusitons sold out till mid 2015. according to their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronj279 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 [quote name='kodiakblair' timestamp='1417453051' post='2620476'] Read about it last week on TB. It really upset the Dingwall owners. " It's a rip-off " " But Dingwall don't hold the fanned fret patent Novax do " " Well Dingwall's licensed is the Brice ? " " No the patent's lapsed so it's open source " " Well it's still a rip off and probably has a sharp fret too " Love reading those threads. [/quote] Can't say it would remotely upset me. If anything I find it pretty nifty that other companies are giving it a go on the cheap. They could have changed the body design a bit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iiipopes Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 It is arguable that the fanned fret concept should never have been the subject of a patent. The idea was incorporated into the opharion and bandora, fanned-fret lutes, in England in the 16th century: http://www.lutesandguitars.co.uk/htm/cat05.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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