steve-bbb Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 still confused can anybody explain in nice easy terms for me what the difference will be between these two configs (ive drawn a picture rather than try to explain it) am using hartke 2500 head + 410hydrive + 115xl thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 From an audio and power output perspective, no difference whatsoever. From a practical perspective, on the LH drawing, if the cable coming from the amp fails then you get no output, wheras on the RH drawing if a cable fails then you'll still get an output from one cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 In the left-hand (yellow) config, you get away with shorter cables, but if the top one fails, then you'll have no sound at all. In the right-hand config, you need a longer cable, but one cable can fail and you'll still have one cab blasting out the sound. In terms of power/volume/amp safety there's essentially no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 thanks - i was wondering if there was any difference at all with the output etc its a pain in the ar5e to lug it in and out of the venue but its worth it for the tone and power without flogging the amp - not to mention the psychological oneupmanship over the guitarist with his little dual rectifier box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 [quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1325846987' post='1488562'] its a pain in the ar5e to lug it in and out of the venue but its worth it for the tone and power without flogging the amp - not to mention the psychological oneupmanship over the guitarist with his little dual rectifier box [/quote] If you really want to screw with the guitarists head then get a 6 string bass as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 How about making this a sticky? This is a very recurring question and this topic is very well explained and the images are very helpfull! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 [quote name='icastle' timestamp='1325847242' post='1488565'] If you really want to screw with the guitarist's head get a 6 string bass as well...[/quote] Then hide your lead in his gig bag and accuse him of stealing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 [size=4]Buy good cables (from OBBM) and treat them well and they will not fail. Then either config will work. [/size] [size=4]Unless you have the cheapest and nastiest cables these lengths are not long enough to cause a difference in sound.[/size] [size=4]For no particular reason, I daisy chain my cabs. I have never had a cable fail.[/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1325847888' post='1488578'] [size=4]I daisy chain my cabs. I have never had a cable fail.[/size] [/quote] I only use one cab, but I've never had a cable fail either. And yes, it is an OBBM cable, so... . Edited January 6, 2012 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) In the left-hand diagram the current for [b]both[/b] cabs is running through the cable between the amp and the first cab. In the right-hand diagram the current for each cable is only for the cab it's plugged into. If you have good cables neither should be an issue. [quote name='icastle' timestamp='1325846701' post='1488553'] From an audio and power output perspective, no difference whatsoever. From a practical perspective, on the LH drawing, if the cable coming from the amp fails then you get no output, wheras on the RH drawing if a cable fails then you'll still get an output from one cab. [/quote] Yep. Edited January 6, 2012 by RandomProddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1325847566' post='1488569'] How about making this a sticky? This is a very recurring question and this topic is very well explained and the images are very helpfull! [/quote] +1 Those images are spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1325847846' post='1488577'] Then hide your lead in his gig bag and accuse him of stealing it. [/quote] ROTFLMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 [quote name='icastle' timestamp='1325848233' post='1488588'] +1 Those images are spot on. [/quote] as long as hartke dont sue my a55 for copyright of their image Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixdegrees Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Plus one on everything said so far (including stitching up/slagging off guitarists). But for anyone reading this with a different set up... This way of connecting the cabs if fine because the amp has an output of 4 ohms. The two cabs are both 8 ohms. Which, when combined, gives the head a load of 4 ohms whether they are daisy-chained or separate outputs, as this (and most) heads have a single output stage. However, if the head had two output stages (Ashdown ABM Evo 900, for example) it would be advisable to connect a load to each of the power outputs or risk damaging the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 No Speakons on the amp..??? And it would be better if the amp output had speakons x 2. That is the way I do it...but the argument of this against a daisy chain..??? hmm..I think I would want to be aware of a problem with the cable rather that potentially stress one single cab... You should be able to hear a single cab go down..but in reality..?? in a different room..?? Sometimes I test each cab/cable connection at a gig.. If I have the time and space etc. Just goes to show..you need to be on your toes and know the sound of your kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 [quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1325850834' post='1488664'] as long as hartke dont sue my a55 for copyright of their image [/quote] True, but we're prepared to take that chance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 [quote name='icastle' timestamp='1325852998' post='1488719'] True, but we're prepared to take that chance... [/quote] if they did i would just publish the contents of an email they sent me in repsonse to a 'tech support' enquiry - very friendly and polite response but about as useful as a chocolate teapot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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