witterth Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) I have 2 MM 'rays fretted and fretless fretless is circa 1990 and fretted circa 2005 the fretted is way louder than the fretless, by a mile, is there something I should know? oh, BTW 2 band eq fretless and 3 band eq fretted is that the "thing"? thoughts gentelmen? Edited April 10, 2011 by witterth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommorichards Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 i think the older one may have alnico magnets, the newer may have neo's. Im not sure though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 All Alnico's on Rays. Pups at the same height?, Battery's both new? , String gauges the same? My pre is the same EQ as your 90 and my 2002 is a 3 EQ the same as your 2005 and they have very similar outputs with no adjustments to amp settings when swapping around live so they should be similar too IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny-79 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1195039' date='Apr 10 2011, 08:46 PM']Pups at the same height?, Battery's both new? , String gauges the same?[/quote] Check all of the above, the fact that one is a 2x band an the other is a 3x should have no effect on output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Wired series is a louder than wired parallel. Whether that applies here, I dinna ken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 [quote name='stevie' post='1195081' date='Apr 10 2011, 09:23 PM']Wired series is a louder than wired parallel. Whether that applies here, I dinna ken.[/quote] Not on single pup Ray fours , Fives and Sterlings yes but not in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 [quote name='stevie' post='1195081' date='Apr 10 2011, 09:23 PM']Wired series is a louder than wired parallel. Whether that applies here, I dinna ken.[/quote] That's what my money's on. Which of these looks like you basses pups? btw stevie : that's an awfae strange accent fur a Dorset boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witterth Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 [quote name='Ou7shined' post='1195186' date='Apr 10 2011, 10:53 PM']That's what my money's on. Which of these looks like you basses pups? btw stevie : that's an awfae strange accent fur a Dorset boy. [/quote] Ooh dont know about wires, all sealed in, so how do I check? and...... stupidly (and obviously) I need to check battries will that make a huge difference though? ( soz to be numb) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I think its only the pikey versions that have the pups wired in series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witterth Posted April 11, 2011 Author Share Posted April 11, 2011 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1195346' date='Apr 11 2011, 07:33 AM']I think its only the pikey versions that have the pups wired in series [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 [quote name='witterth' post='1195228' date='Apr 10 2011, 11:38 PM']Ooh dont know about wires, all sealed in, so how do I check?[/quote] You would have to measure the resistance using an meter. By the way (and please don't think I'm insulting your intelligence here), the first thing I would do here is plug the basses in and tap the polepieces with a small screwdriver to make sure both coils are working. I'm sure you've done that, but might as well mention it just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 [quote name='Ou7shined' post='1195186' date='Apr 10 2011, 10:53 PM']btw stevie : that's an awfae strange accent fur a Dorset boy. [/quote] I may live in god's little acre now, but I've been around.... I've read the Sunday Post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witterth Posted April 11, 2011 Author Share Posted April 11, 2011 (edited) [quote name='stevie' post='1195415' date='Apr 11 2011, 09:19 AM']You would have to measure the resistance using an meter. By the way (and please don't think I'm insulting your intelligence here), the first thing I would do here is plug the basses in and tap the polepieces with a small screwdriver to make sure both coils are working. I'm sure you've done that, but might as well mention it just in case.[/quote] No Ste this is the sort of thing I need to know so thanks! btw the other thing I wanted to ask is the pick up cover keeps "creeping up " (fretted basss) so I have to screw it back down now and again all seems fine and straight with the neck, so any ideas on that too? Edited April 11, 2011 by witterth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1195346' date='Apr 11 2011, 07:33 AM']I think its only the pikey versions that have the pups wired in series [/quote] Why I oughta! [quote name='witterth' post='1195228' date='Apr 10 2011, 11:38 PM']Ooh dont know about wires, all sealed in, so how do I check? and...... stupidly (and obviously) I need to check battries will that make a huge difference though? ( soz to be numb)[/quote] Take your strings off then unscrew the 3 screws holding in your pup. Be careful when lifting the pickup out as some pups can drop out when you lift it out (I mean the the inner bit - the black bit you see is just a cover). It's no biggy, just a pain, don't be scared. I doubt it is a battery issue as the volume doesn't tend to drop in the MM circuit, the tone quality suffers instead. [quote name='stevie' post='1195420' date='Apr 11 2011, 09:21 AM']I may live in god's little acre now, but I've been around.... I've read the Sunday Post. [/quote] Oor Wullie is still my fav. [quote name='witterth' post='1195434' date='Apr 11 2011, 09:32 AM']No Ste this is the sort of thing I need to know so thanks! btw the other thing I wanted to ask is the pick up cover keeps "creeping up " (fretted basss) so I have to screw it back down now and again all seems fine and straight with the neck, so any ideas on that too?[/quote] This is a little worrying, it sounds like the holes for your screws are stripped - again, whip out the pup and investigate and report back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 [quote name='Ou7shined' post='1195589' date='Apr 11 2011, 12:24 PM']Oor Wullie is still my fav. [/quote] Do you realize that the vast majority of forum members don't have a clue what you're talking about and are now googling madly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 [quote name='stevie' post='1195654' date='Apr 11 2011, 01:07 PM']Do you realize that the vast majority of forum members don't have a clue what you're talking about and are now googling madly? [/quote] Par for the course really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Wazoo Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1195039' date='Apr 10 2011, 08:46 PM']All Alnico's on Rays. Pups at the same height?, Battery's both new? , String gauges the same? My pre is the same EQ as your 90 and my 2002 is a 3 EQ the same as your 2005 and they have very similar outputs with no adjustments to amp settings when swapping around live so they should be similar too IMO[/quote] 2001 to 2009 were ceramic than after 2009 back to AlNiCo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martthebass Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 [quote name='Grand Wazoo' post='1196669' date='Apr 12 2011, 12:03 PM']2001 to 2009 were ceramic than after 2009 back to AlNiCo[/quote] Thought only Ray5's had the AlNiCo to Ceramic to AlNiCo pup switches and Ray 4's had always been AlNiCo. My 2001 and 2006 issues are both AlNiCo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Wazoo Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 [quote name='martthebass' post='1196679' date='Apr 12 2011, 12:16 PM']Thought only Ray5's had the AlNiCo to Ceramic to AlNiCo pup switches and Ray 4's had always been AlNiCo. My 2001 and 2006 issues are both AlNiCo.[/quote] not sure if it was only the Ray5's you might well be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 [quote name='Grand Wazoo' post='1196669' date='Apr 12 2011, 12:03 PM']2001 to 2009 were ceramic than after 2009 back to AlNiCo[/quote] Ray 5's only had ceramic that's why I bought new to get an Alnico one as they are thin on the ground used still so not much choice colour/neck wise. AFAIK Real Ray 4's are Alnico and parallel wired bar none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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