Big_Stu

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1361727084' post='1989942'] Mate, I might look daft, wear sensible shoes, talk sh*t, but don't you ever call me a veggie again [/quote] Yeah, everyone knows he's a vague-'un.

[quote name='kevin_lindsay' timestamp='1361714268' post='1989598']I bumped into Mark King in a Glasgow restaurant just after the Standing In The Light album had been released...............Mark was great, we talked about basses and he said I should give John Diggens a call. I was invited along to the gig later and it was a completely incredible gig. I was blown away by Mark's playing - total powerhouse on his Jaydee. I did call John diggens, and had him make me a Jaydee bass[/quote] Now that's influence! Amazing! JD has his two sons working for him too now, so I'm glad that even though MK doesn't use his as much that JayDee themselves are up to their eyes in work (18 month waiting list). I believe a fair amount of that is Sabbath fan orientated.

[quote name='leftyhook' timestamp='1361707906' post='1989474'] oh you ladies always see the positive in everything![/quote] Maybe cos according to the advert it's also female.

[quote name='iceonaboy' timestamp='1361711037' post='1989539'] Nice playing, but what a horrible bass! [/quote] It's only a custom EB3, as a lifelong EB user he had it made after his Gibson was nicked.

[quote name='FlatEric' timestamp='1361651138' post='1988909'] . . . .just off to practice this, back [s]soon[/s] - [s]tomorrow[/s] - [s]next week[/s] erm. . . . when I've cracked it. [/quote] It's off "Get Fresh" remember that? Gaz Topp asked him to do it again after that, but Jim goes "naa, I prefer this", cranks the volume & does Purple Haze. so I console myself by just doing that bit.

[quote name='Lynottfan' timestamp='1361650246' post='1988888'] some can love, some can hate, but Mark King's playing I have to rate.[/quote] Was that deliberate? You could so put one of his lines behind that.

[quote name='ThomBassmonkey' timestamp='1361620183' post='1988342']I doubt music will ever be pirate-free. Whatever security measures they put in place, unless we end up with a DRM type system that is used in gaming (and I honestly can't see how it would work in music which is still sold on CDs) then whatever security is protecting music will be hackable.[/quote] Me neither; nor do they. It wasn't said, but my inclination is that it'll be more criminalised, in the eg I gave, like dodging train tickets is now a criminal rather civil offence. I can only think of it being from nationalised railways days to explain that. Whether the UK will ever have an extradition treaty with the US for copying one of their co's recordings is another thing altogether. It's the first time in the history of record labels that they haven't had a physical hard copy saleable item; they have been caught on the back foot & are aware of it. But it's still a very cynical hard-nosed system with big money behind it; they will find a way that will make piracy a lower problem, obviously not eradicate it, but as in my previous eg. people still enjoy the buzz of avoiding their train fair. If that happens then small bands will be protected by the same laws.

Damn shame, it'll be a charity shop or a hairdressers next. Looks a great place too, olde hand-painted signage etc.

[quote name='ThomBassmonkey' timestamp='1361583422' post='1988068']What is the difference between the concept of a patent and copyright? A patent protects the creater (or owner) of the concept from having the thing that they've invested time and money being used by others for their own means without permission. Copyright does exactly the same thing. I'm not sure of the relevance of what racing cars do though, music (the actual art) isn't about staying ahead of the competition. Are you saying that if there was a centralised way of copyrighting something where you paid your money and sent in a copy of the material that you should be given better protection by law?[/quote] In law they're very similar, but both are dependent on the owner of it maintaining their position of ownership. Rickenbacker do, Fender didn't for eg. It's why the big thing about sampling occurred years ago, you have to establish a unique point, but what you have doesn't have to be entirely unique. If that was the case there's be thousands of cases of plagiarism because a bar of notes was copyrighted by someone. Similarly on the patent side, Trevor Bayliss didn't invent radio, nor clockwork mechanisms; but he put the two together & is doing very well off it. As I said earlier, there are many who ignore copyrights & patents, some get caught for it, many more get away with it. Mostly because the actual owner or their agents aren't aware of it, or aren't until it's too late. iTunes is more by comparison a distributor role than a record company role, the big labels were complacent of their position - and still are, mostly because of "won't be my problem by then" thinking by individuals. Also because they do assume, this isn't a guess or speculation, it's fact; that there will be methods in place to prevent major piracy, if not all, by the time it becomes essential to them. Last I heard they were saying 4 years from now, tick-tock, tick-tock.

[quote name='ThomBassmonkey' timestamp='1361487613' post='1986629']For me it'd be no different if (for example) Microsoft took apart a PS4 when they get their hands on one then reproduced it using their own factories and sold it for less money. Sony haven't had anything go missing but it'd definitely impact on Sony's sales and the effort that went into designing the PS4 by Sony would be a total loss as no one would buy their consoles so they wouldn't see any profit from it.[/quote] There's more tangents to it than that; as has been seen on these very forums from the actions of a Mr Hall & as Gibson & Fender found to their cost, if you just let such a scenario happen without challenging it - it really weakens your case if you decide to attack the forgers in the future. Your IP doesn't die after the initial patenting, you can carry on paying for it on an annual basis. It remains yours for as long as you carry on paying, to license, loan, divulge, give as you will, in either UK alone, Europe or worldwide. The downside (as I was personally told by a patent agent) is that various companies abroad will totally ignore international patent law (which costs about the price of a small house anyway, but buttons to a place like Sony), copy it, make their fortune, then cut & run. Unless you've patented something incredible it may well cost you more than your product is worth to defend it ....... probably not the case with a PS4. I was told a few years ago by someone at Universal that a % of each CD price went in a royalty to Philips, nice little earner.

[quote name='ead' timestamp='1361520709' post='1986796'] I now feel completely unable to write another F/s thread [/quote] Don't worry about it, that's what this thread is for. Any one of the posters here would be happy to write one for you

I was introduced to Jerry Donahue by Cropper a couple of years ago. I don't know how long he was in FC (did they have a revolving door policy?) but since he lives nearby I thought it only polite to take a few CDs that he had on him. All great stuff, especially his last release with his daughter; makes me think I'd check out FC given the right opportunity (unfortunately last night wasn't one of them).

[quote name='ThomBassmonkey' timestamp='1361487613' post='1986629']IMO copyright follows the same kind of logic as patents and intellectual property. If someone's created something that other people want, it should be within their control to do as they want with it, including selling it or sharing it for free.[/quote] Of course it should; those that feel they have to right or simple desire to do otherwise can dress it up any way that they want - ripping copyright stuff off can't be justified apart from in the distorted mind that thinks that. The ones that do that would be the first to whine if someone else with a similar philosophy thought that they had a greater right to their new iPod, new bass, new amp, whatever & rather than use online technology to take it, simply just physically took it. That taker in turn would feel able to justify their actions too no doubt.

Yeah, but no-one knows for sure what's around the corner, you can't account for the unaccountable. I was swapping stories with a guy in the pub last week; he said he likes collecting little stories & such to pass the time on the road. We got to music technology & I mentioned a programme I saw once that was about predictions in Sci-Fi films; Star Trek, Shape Of Things, etc. It spoke of Flash Gordon, the original Buster Crabbe one, with inter-planetary travel, alien contact, video conversations; people flying using "capes", rocket propelled space-ships, laser beams............... but throughout it all they hadn't reckoned on transistors - so the radios were still bloddy great valve driven monoliths in the corner. He thought that was sharp AND hilarious & is going to add it to his repertoire. Being of a certain age, mobile phones, downloads, walking down the road with an earpiece in appearing to talk to yourself but actually making an international call would have been the stuff of "Blake's Seven" dreaming when I was a kid.

[quote name='Dom in Somerset' timestamp='1361478522' post='1986465'] There is a school of thought amongst certain people that "professionalism" equates to being rude/pushy/up-tight/egotistical/self centred/self important and so bloody great they can get away with all the aforementioned unpleasantness.[/quote] IME the reverse is true & it's those acting on their behalf who are the snotty ones; usually s**t-scared that someone will come along & remove them from their elite little perch, get past - or more likely, ignore them, - and the pros are generally OK, not always - but generally.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1361470932' post='1986288'] Some poor bugger is going to register as XXXXX and get all sorts of grief [/quote] "Honest darlin' - I was trying to download a video of a bass some bloke's selling & all I got was this stuff of Dutch couples doing naughty things".

[quote name='Gust0o' timestamp='1361474198' post='1986365']I think they were - either wilfully, or through ignorance, they lost the initiative. Security was cack-handed and too late.[/quote] Exactly - buit given how big the machine is & what they stand to lose - they have, comparatively, to the pirates themselves, speaking; a bottomless pit of funds to put into anti-piracy software. Not so much blocking s'ware, I would guess more along the lines of (as I wrote a few posts ago) the traceability & accountability of anyone downloading. You only need to read HYS mantra on the BBC site, "Only those with something to hide have anything to fear", it's heading that way - and in the same way that the childhood game of dodging your train-ticket is now a criminal (not civil) offence I reckon music piracy will end up on the same level of law.

[quote name='Gust0o' timestamp='1361471094' post='1986291']Coming back to Stu's point about hanging in for security measures - perhaps, yeah. I'm not totally convinced, but it's perhaps part of it. [/quote] It is - honest, would I lie to you? It's all they can do within the vision of what the music world will become. Personally I see the future of audio music being entirely video+audio. Audio only music being consigned to how vinyl is viewed now - by the general public that is.

[quote name='Gust0o' timestamp='1361469883' post='1986253']And this is where I think the why could be telling - why didn't they adapt? Did they think, in hypotheses, that they could exercise a level of control on the market, to the extent that they could control production and thus stave off the need for change?[/quote] They're working on the assumption (sorry that should be "market research projection") that by the time hard copy is the negligible minority sale security procedures will have made illegal downloads less of an option. + there's less job security in the business so they're a bit more of a "meh" consideration of the future.

[quote name='Gust0o' timestamp='1361468767' post='1986221'] Bloody hell, I went to do one quick edit - and then spied half the thread had mentioned the name![/quote] [size=3]Hey Bud ya missed one - the quote section on #12.[/size]

No one is saying it's right. Also, FWIW - no-one (either) scratched "Vox" off the headstock as you said in your sale post. They only had "Phantom" on it, which you can obviously see the shadow of on yours.

[quote name='dragan' timestamp='1361465210' post='1986135']I should lost ownership on the bass so you would share sympathy,eh?[/quote] Not saying that at all, of course it's a shame you've been messed around - I'm saying it could have been a lot worse. Your mate was going anyway, so he carried an extra case, I've done that bit myself for folk. There are cases on here, one recently where people have been out of pocket - until mods helped out. You'll be more cautious the next time, personally I would have been wary of only getting a keen buyer with a handful of posts - but you'll watch out for that too - if there's a next time. Depending on how much the friend carrying it in London will help you, maybe you could have it valued while it's there? Maybe at Vintage & Rare in Denmark St or any other experts that other BCers could suggest?

Doesn't sound like you've lost ownership of the bass though? €3000 is a lot of cash for a bass & IMHO the guy couldn't commit to that kind of outlay without physically seeing it, no matter how good the pics are. You may be disappointed, but I don't think you've been ripped off. Also, for future reference, not accusing XXXX in any way at all, but be very wary of high value sales via a forum with folk with little history there. Which is about the same as an Ebay deal asking those with little feedback to email first.

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1361460881' post='1986031']the industry will only change if and when it can see a tangible benefit in doing so - that's not an opinion or an argument, that's a fact.[/quote] That is true, but the "tangible benefit" right now & in the near future is whether it's a loss cutter benefit or an actual benefit in excess of where they are now. There's not much "added value" (the trendy new must have) to something that doesn't physically exist, part from giving something extra away for nothing (like the "bonus tracks" on a 12" single), which doesn't gain profit as such. Once CDs, DVDs & Games are download only where else can they go? I was interested to hear on a radio report last week that they have again reduced the qualifying amount of sales needed to acheive Silver, Gold & Platinum status. When I was a kid a platinum album had sold a million copies, now it's half that IIRC.

[quote name='Gust0o' timestamp='1361456844' post='1985948']Why has the record industry been slow to change from physical distribution?[/quote] Not as much scope for profit.