paul h

That last bit was to make a point.

[quote name='icastle' post='1121738' date='Feb 9 2011, 07:06 PM'][i]"Meanwhile, back in the real world." [/i] - he missed the smiley off the end, he stated that quite a bit back. [i]"Unsubstantiated rabid fanboy." [/i] - from a totally different poster to the first comment you took offense to. The very next sentence was [b]"I'm not calling you a rabid fanboy, by the way". [/b] IMHO you are taking offense where none was intended mate.[/quote] Oh that's right. He apologised about the smiley [i]after[/i] I made the trolling comment. I'm sorry my lack of time machine is distressing you. No he didn't say I was a rabid fanboy. He said I sound like one. That's ok then. That's not an insult is it? Sounding like rabid fanboy is positively a compliment. To be honest you sound like a complete tool. I am not saying you are one. You just sound like one.

[quote name='Ou7shined' post='1121620' date='Feb 9 2011, 05:38 PM']Seriously? I'm a troll. What does go on here a lot which is even sadder is that opinion gets confused for fact.[/quote] Apart from your opinions...which apparently are fact?

[quote name='icastle' post='1121692' date='Feb 9 2011, 06:38 PM']One of the big strengths of BassChat is that people from diverse musical backgrounds, experience and interests can come here and talk openly and freely about various musical subjects. So, lots of different opinions from lots of different people with lots of different takes on the subject under discussion. Are you saying that anyone who has an opinion that is different to yours is a troll? [/quote] Nope. I'm saying people who use phrases like this are... "Meanwhile, back in the real world." "Unsubstantiated rabid fanboy."

Sorry but this is just laughable so I think we will leave it there.

[quote name='Metalmoore' post='1121319' date='Feb 9 2011, 01:11 PM']Hmmm, seems i should have searched the forum abit more to find out who done this. Never meant to start all of this... Sorry?[/quote] Don't apologise, it's nothing you have done. It's a Basschat phenomenon where a few trolls have decided to have a pop for no reason. In this one they have decided that electricity doesn't exist. In another thread they will deny wood has any effect. It's sad really but it does go on here a lot.

[quote name='neepheid' post='1121254' date='Feb 9 2011, 12:35 PM']I disagree with the section highlighted. Apart from the fact that there is no frame of reference with which to properly quantify the perceived improvement, in my humble opinion there is no way that any loom mod will have as as much impact as changing the pickup(s), assuming we're talking about sound quality and not functionality here. I made that assumption because the statement doesn't make it clear. In the case of non-functional looms and non-functional pickups then yes, they are of equal importance. Either way, I'll take your opinion as just that, an opinion and then disregard it because as stated above, I disagree with it and if I may be so bold I think it sounds like rabid, unsubstantiated fanboy talk. I'm not calling you a rabid fanboy, by the way.[/quote] For a start you admit your making assumptions which makes the rest of your argument invalid. Also I said in my opinion changing the loom is "up there" with changing the pickups. You are the one that has inferred that I am only talking about tone. If I had said "Changing the loom makes just as much tonal difference as changing the pickups." then maybe you would be right. I didn't. I am talking about worthwhile mods to a cheap bass. However it does make a noticeable difference. And lastly, seeing as getting a sound from a vibrating string to come out of an amplifier relies rather heavily on the bits in between denying that better quality wiring from different components won't make an audible difference seems a little strange. I had a P bass years ago with a badly installed EMG that distorted all the time. I had it reinstalled and it fixed the problem. Funny that. How a dry solder joint affected the tone. And people are forever banging on about orange drop capacitors, are they all mistaken too? Oh, and thanks for the unsubstantiated rabid fanboy comment. I found it to be a useful and informative addition to the argument.

[quote name='Ou7shined' post='1120898' date='Feb 9 2011, 03:46 AM']I still have no idea why you are being like this. [/quote] Rather ironically I just typed a long reply and accidentally deleted it! I am sorry to hear of your bereavement and you have my sympathy. Always tough times. Back to the matter in hand. First off, joining a conversation and commenting on someone else's opinion using the phrase "Meanwhile, back in the real world." Is just plain rude. Can you give me one real life example where you would get away with talking to someone you barely know like that? I know we have both been on this forum forever but we have hardly interacted in any way at all until you decided to imply that my opinions were a fantasy based upon someone else's thoughts. EDITED Next look at what you insist are the facts, that swapping a wiring loom has no positive effect. So to do that, let's look at some other facts.... In this thread the information I have given is as follows: I bought a Jim Deacon bass, I decided to upgrade the wiring loom, I noticed a difference and I will now considered doing the same mod to other cheap basses I have or might buy. Now let's look at your comments... You feel that the word upgrade does not apply here. Well, replacing low quality components with higher quality components is the very definition of upgrade. It is quite simply what the word means. Whether the the original components work or not is irrelevant. At the very least you add longevity and reliability by improving component quality. The reason you feel the word doesn't apply is that you don't see what benefit a new harness will have. Did you hear the original one? Have you heard the new one? You contradict your self later by mentioning the capacitor. Do you know what was used on the original harness? Do you know what rating the new one is? EDITED So the original harness has low quality components and bad soldering. Even I can see that. Occasionally the jack socket cut out. The pots were a bit crackly and didn't turn very smoothly and switch cleaner didn't help. The pots actual operation was not very cool with all the action happening over the last quarter turn. And the bass had a lower output that I would expect. The new harness has great big chunky components held together with very neat, nice shiny solder. The jack socket is rock solid and doesn't cut out. The pots are really smooth and affect the sound through their full range of movement. The output is significantly improved. I perceive a fuller bottom end. I concede this may be just my perception. Or it could be connected to the improved output and might be something to do with capacitor? I don't really know. EDITED So now, tell me again that the quality of the loom has no affect on performance. NOTE: I have edited the bits where I got a bit angry. I don't like to be confrontational and try to avoid it.

Ok, it's four or five years old but it's this kind of thing that always makes me want to slap on a P bass.

Used the Aero2 at rehearsal last night for the first time in a couple of weeks. Had the J pickup on full and rolled the P pickup down a bit and the thing growls! Very cool bass.

[quote name='Ou7shined' post='1120486' date='Feb 8 2011, 07:43 PM']I assure you Paul I have no such intention. I don't even have a clue why you'd think I have any cause to either? You may PM me if you like - to keep this thread clear.[/quote] Nope. Still not going to bite. Good try though.

I just typed a long reply but deleted it. I'm not going to bite because I know you're just trying to wind me up!

And breathe..... I agree totally! In fact, I am not sure I would ever shell out for anything too expensive. I have always been a fan of buying cheap and modding. In a lot of cheap basses the electronics are a real weak point and in my recent experience upgrading them does make a noticeable difference.

[quote name='Ou7shined' post='1120152' date='Feb 8 2011, 03:00 PM']Meanwhile back in the real world...[/quote] Meaning?

I'm a total convert. After fitting one of KiOgon's harnesses in my Jim Deacon I think it's mod right up there with changing pickups. In fact I am thinking of going for a jazz style one for my Retrovibe.

I am not sure about better but I reckon a [i]good[/i] example of an SX or Jim Deacon will give them a run for their money.

[quote name='Mr H' post='1114984' date='Feb 4 2011, 09:56 AM']J J Brunel? [size=1]First post! I had to register and wait overnight to make that joke[/size]![/quote] You sir, will fit right in.

+1 for same position sitting/standing or thereabouts. I used to play at it slung nice and low but it's got higher as I get older. Advantages being that it pretty much hides my belly and it's easy for me to swap between pick, fingers and slap styles.

Matt Smith from Sky News used to be a regular.

Craig Martini. Or are we not doing serious answers any more? In that case please assume I have said something amusing.

I'm trying to play less rock and more funk and pop but I'm in a rock covers band so it's difficult!

Lovely bass and +1 for mint.

[quote name='gafbass02' post='1109013' date='Jan 31 2011, 07:51 AM']How funny. I was going to start the exact same thread yesterday afternoon but got sidetracked?!!? WTF is that all about. ?! Musta been something on tv or something subliminal :0)[/quote] Great minds and all that. I have no idea why I thought of them either. As you say I must have been watching a program about field based heart surgery or something.

[quote name='bumnote' post='1098805' date='Jan 22 2011, 04:24 PM']I would like to try that combination of a Jazz Body with a precision neck, but with the normal jazz pickups.[/quote] And I prefer a P body with a J neck. We should keep in touch!

I scored an RI of 77 at 60bpm and my highest variation was 69ms. Which I remember doing because I started to daydream and cocked one up!