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Just to throw it out there (and I don’t know why I’m pushing my unsolicited advice around) but if you were to ever switch to the following wireless https://www.nuxaudio.com/b8.html (which could be considered a downgrade given the great reviews I hear about the Shure but who knows) It would allow you to run the Helix in the loop of the wireless and use the xlr out, there by making an even tidier more versatile setup. Anyway….. carry on

I could happily have a 1 channel no stomp switch Capo (like Mesa did with their DI) that’s smaller and maybe even cheaper. Can also ditch the loops for all I care 😂

Well you let me know when you’ve done some captures and I’ll check them out. I’m going to look at capturing a Groove Tube Ditto and Summit TD-100 but I can’t imagine either will really have too much impact on someones signal chain. Someone has captured the Radial Stagebug so there is that.

When you get into this I recommend the following. https://www.tone.net/tonex/tonemodels/34396 https://www.tone.net/tonex/tonemodels/38296

I totally get where you’re coming from and mixed with my own experience I’d say it’s going to be a struggle but also given the gigging situations, something you’re going to want to pursue. I think we put too much emphasis on isolation with IEMs, I think the right amount of stage bleed and it starts to feel very similar to the moulded ear plugs (something I’ve also used for around 15 years now). I looked at the following along with IEMs with adjustable ports that just let sound on stage in at an attenuated level (like the ear plugs) So you end up with this sound you’re familiar with but then more because of the feed you’re blending in. Add on to this something like the backbeat (I had a G1 and sold it as I didn’t like the extra cables, weird charging and weight on my strap) but the G2 solves most of that (2 for sale on this forum right now) or the Porter & Davies (bass direct have a platform and amp for sale currently). A combination of these will trick your brain and body into feeling it better and you’ll find a far more basic sound then just works. Another option instead of the Rolls could be something like the Zoom H6 then blend ambient mics, foh feed and bass (I guess a H4 may also have enough channels but everyone seems to use the H6 🤷‍♂️) into something that sounds a bit less just direct. Regarding all the other magic boxes, my take aways are. IR’s I’ve enjoyed as they are very subtle eq’s, so they don’t smother your tone, but they do roll a lot of highs off. I play basses generally with flats and a lot of palm muting so this doesn’t bother me. However I turn an IR on and go this great. Few hours later I turn it off and my clean tone sounds so much better and clearer and yadda yadda. I definitely wouldn’t be wanting to send an IR signal to FOH. They do make cheaper amp sims sound a bit better and take the edge off drive pedals that have way to much highs when just done direct. So they were a nice addition to the NUX Mighty Plug Pro I use for home practice (Aguilar amp model and a shiftline IR). Captures and profiles I’ve played with a bunch today and I found one that I was like wow, really wow. But all that did was make me want the actual unit. It was incredible with pedal captures though, I could seriously see myself never buying another vintage inspired drive pedal. For home practice these are definitely worth a look. I’d probably look at Tonex due to the multi platform support over the new Kemper Player, but the Kemper did respark my interest in all this again.. Analog tone shaping and preamp pedals I don’t think are going to cut it for you, I’ve been on this mission for a long time myself, looking for that more amp like, magic tone that just gives me more of something 🤷‍♂️ without smothering the tone. The Jad Freer Capo was the best I found but it doesn’t sound like an amp, it sounds like a studio channel strip. So gives you more of that direct tone when you’re in the studio and think YEAH! THIS IS F’IN ACE when played back to you through huge monitors. Pedals that claim to sound like amps, they just don’t or should I say maybe they sound like amps DI’d or mic’d up recorded and played back to you but nothing compensates for that air moving. Given how many gigs I’ve done in recent years with 100w combo’s as monitors and IEMs I have no idea how I ever ran 2 Strategy 400s indoors but I’ll have fond memories and constant ringing in my ears. To get that feel you’re going to have to experiment with more than just tone unfortunately, also maybe try a subtle bit of reverb on your bass 🤷‍♂️ could help but again, only in your ears keep FOH as clean as possible.

How is everyone else finding the IEM experience? Such as if you can’t resolve your issues will there just be a single amp on stage in form of a giant bass stack? Have you tried running your feed with bass in it and using the rolls just to fill that out further? (I’ve never had foh not include bass just because I have my own level for bass, I just ask for the full foh mix and then level my bass up in it) I’m currently using the zs10s and have previously used the Xive. How do you feel about your bass tone out front? I can’t say I’ve ever really listened to mine. Next purchase will be moulded IEMs because I’ve committed to this life and even if I only ever use them for home practice it’ll be an improvement.

Have you tried the Backbeat or Porter & Davies stuff? IEM wise what headphones are you using? Is the whole band on IEMs? For a long time I just used a custom sfx unit that had bass in and line in and a volume for each of them. I’d take a passive line out from the foh speakers for my line in (so what you assume is a nice full mix as it’s foh) and then run my bass in and have that louder. This is likely what you’re doing with the Rolls but maybe overthinking the feed in. This particular unit would then allow me to pass the line in on to anyone else with iems. It also had a DI so it was a 1 stop solution. In this setup I felt a little like I was missing some polish, not necessarily eq, or compression or overdrive but just a less raw bass into di tone. (I say not necessarily because I’ve added all these things and each and everything felt overwhelming to the tone I wanted) I think because I practice so much into an ipad or using the Nux mighty plug what I actually miss is some ad/da conversion in my signal chain, so I’ve recently added a Sennheiser wireless that I plan on using as my tuner and di and then something like a Zoom H6 to give me a more complex IEM mix whilst still being really portable and quick to setup. I don’t want to be an donkey (but I am, so I will be) but I wonder if the issue is not the lack of a rig but the level at which you approach the WHOLE IEM setup. I have friends running custom moulded IEMs with their own mix in a stereo feed into £800+ wireless units and never hear any complaints, but every guitarist with a £13 set of headphones running off a spare feed powered by something cheap from behringer will tell me how it doesn’t sound/feel like their rig. Again not to knock your efforts, because I’m very much in this space (been looking at big tube rigs all weekend) but my experiences got better when the whole band switched to IEMs (because then the guitarist used an Iridium and not just a whatever feed out of the back of his amp) and when I was able to control my own position (volume) in my own mix. With all the above said, I’ve just spent 3 hours messing with Tonex on the iPad, if the model of the Noble is accurate I’m just going to buy one and never wonder about anything else 😂

Can I enquire as to how you’re comparing the amps you like to the models, profiles and IRs you don’t? Is the big amp you like Di’d? Mic’ed off stage and pumped in to your iems? Or is it amp in the room vs headphones in your ears and the issue is less you dislike the profiles but dislike iem bass tone/feel. Or is it backline rig vs foh tone? I’m always wrestling with this myself I’ve been pretty exclusive IEMs for around 5 years (occasional amp as a monitor for the band) but came from a very big rig background. Eventually I’ve gone down to just a clean di as I didn’t need multiple amp tones and just want to travel as light as possible. Even this becomes marginal gains having compared a Stagebug to an acme di and coming away thinking a di is di 🤷🏻‍♂️ (says the man with 3 tube Di’s and 6 other none tube options) But there is so much great gear available that I’m always on the hunt for some sort of magic tone box. I often consider the kemper, or tonex to model my (a) rig but then I don’t have a rig, I don’t have an inherent tonal preference, I have an eq preference and can dial in “me” on anything put in front including what’s piped back to my IEMs. None of these solutions will ever feel like when I was running 2 Mesa Strategy 400s into 12 10inch speakers 😈 and if they don’t feel like that, does the fact it sounds the same really matter? I never even thought about the DI tone from that rig because that much air moving was just glorious. Genuinely interested in the various approaches you’ve taken in this area (hopefully to save myself a lot of money)

Interested to know how it works out, I love the idea of a “Tone Brain” that is tiny and I can append what I need as and when. I use the Mighty Plug Pro for home practice and nothing will ever be more convenient but there are some noise issues. Both work as audio interfaces and are good enough to record with. Then I use a Zoom MS60b for jams because I can power it from 2aa’s and throw it on the floor and go. Prime P2 would be the same vibe but smaller and more flexibility. I see on the newer one you can re-order fx which I don’t think you can do on the P1. Both have IRs which is very cool and then the only other issue I see is none have an octaver. Just constantly searching for the smallest best sounding multi functional thing I can

As would mine too then

Can I ask how were those fx? I’m far more interested in the modelled rig/box of tone but some usable fx here and there is always a nice addition

Have you tried running the spark into the Beta and by having both, having 3 awesome sounds?

Finally I’m excited about something. XLR out is the win for me over other similar units

I’m a big fan of the mud 😅

Does the following mean I can load fancy amp profiles on this thing? *52 amp models created with MNRS technology + 10 GNR slots to store simulation files downloaded from the cloud *25 cab sim models + 10 GIR slots to store simulation files downloaded from the cloud or third-party IR files

Seems this slipped under the radar https://www.mooeraudio.com/products/1164587355420454912.html I love the idea of this product, I’d love to carry around essentially an fx brain that I can hook up to different things in different scenarios but the P1 seemed to have a fixed fx chain (Ala 90s multis) and there never seems to be any octavers available.

I only tried my jive in a loud band situation so haven’t had time to really evaluate. Oddly really didn’t like the spark but still love the mojomojo. When I get chance to meet up with a friend I’ll finally get the Tone Factor Cream Pie back just debating having a W&C Phat Phuk (for the 3rd time) to try it against 😅