Pirellithecat

Thanks for the offer EAD - I'd probably be too shy to subject you to my less than great bass techniques ..... but you never know🙃! Thinking about the Jazz idea, it's just dawned on me that it is something in the midrange that I don't like, so a more scooped sound , a la Jazz bass, might resolve it. I've always stayed away from Jazz basses as I feel that the low punch is a less than the P Bass. I guess I'm looking to retain a punchy sound, with sufficient higher frequency output to allow me to determine the notes being played, but without the mid "honk" that I object too. Is that a Jazz or would a Stingray also suffice? And before someone jumps in with "Why not just EQ it" , I've tried and just can't get there with either a Genzler Magellan or an Ashdown ABM 600 which have lots of tone sculpting options. This might be that I'm just a simple chap looking for a ready made tone that I don't have to fiddle with too much though.

I guess the BBP34 is the successor of the BB 1024 .... any thoughts on the difference between the 2?

Thanks - a few I haven't tried suggested so far ..... just need to find somewhere that stocks them all (or at least a city that does) So far versions I might be able to try/buy, are : Jazz Bass - I always considered these to be more "mid bass forward" so haven't tried on e for years - but everyday's a School Day so ...... Stingray,(might need to be a Sterling Ray34 though ???) A Yamaha PJ .... Schecter G&L L2000 I'd like to try these so are there specific mid price examples to seek out? (Mid price = £1000 or preferably MUCH less!!) I'm reluctant to mod the Sandberg as it's far too nice for me to mess with!!

Thanks Al .... Had a High end SR - as you say fantastically fast neck etc, loved it in terms of playability etc, but needed a bit more of a Rock/Blues machine so traded it for a Fender Professional P. Sounded great but I just didn't love the thing. Tempted by the Yamaha's not really tried any of the higher end ones though - so I'll pop it on my list!! I had the Spector down as a modern-sounding device - I'll see if I can find one to try. So thanks for the input No love for Stingrays? Tried one very briefly recently and the "punch" was impressive!

I have the Sandberg (not Delano) pups in mine. I have tried switching out the P for a Fender 62 Custom Shop, but the difference was only marginally better. In particular the Humbucker at the Bridge position produces a sound I can't get my head round. Maybe I should just try a VS (Passive), but then I should have a look at other options. Or maybe move to a VT/TT?? As you say, in terms of playability/neck feel the Sandberg is the great .........

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There's a sound in my head ........... Love my Sandberg VM4, lovely to play, great quality, super flexible ..... but I'd love to try a slightly less "mid forward" sounding bass. EQ doesn't really get me there, so I wondered .... Anyone moved away from Sandberg and if so, to what? How would a MM/Sterling Stingray/Fender Professional II/Performer, be? Other suggestions? I'm in the middle of nowhere so it would be great to get a "hit list" and then do the road trip to compare them. Primary use in Rock Covers band, but with the potential for that Blues/Rock vibe should the need arise........

As a complete amateur at all this, I'm in a similar position, i.e. trying to use IEM's in a (rock) band whilst doing the sound "on the hoof" whilst attempting to get a decent mix for my IEMs. 2 things I'd offer which have improved things for me are; 1) Switching my Mee MX Pro IEM's to Shure SE 215's. MUCH better sound isolation, allowing me to actually reduce the volume rather than compete with the stage noise. 2) Using an old Mic as an Ambient Mic - placed somewhere on stage to capture the "live" sound - this really helps with hearing what's going on and , in some situations might be all that's needed apart from a feed from the bass. I'm still a long way from getting to a satisfactory solution but am persevering!! Good luck!

Still researching!! Had a look at the Zoom B1 4, and waded through the info on most of the devices mentioned. Most demos spend lots of time going through all the different settings, how to create patches/scenes etc. However, no real demonstrations of using the pedals in a practical gigging situation. I suspect I need the maximum number of foot switches so that I can avoid having to scroll through settings/menus whilst playing live. i.e. a "Stomp Version". So it's a limited number of specific effects and a limited number of "scenes". I'm a little concerned about scrolling through menus to get to the correct scene between songs/verse/chorus/intro/outro during a gig. I've asked my son to bring his Pod Go up for Christmas as this has a high number of footswitches. I'll have another go with this and report back. Thanks for all the info - a little project to pursue whilst Strictly Come Dancing (insert own pet hate here .....) distracts the rest of the family over the Christmas break! HoHoHo!

Ta S'manth .... bit of homework there then ..... 😂

Thanks for all the comments! I guess I am rather lazy, but the App/PC interface on the Mod Dwarf looks really intuitively easy to use - and would be great for setting up sounds for particular tracks. S'manth - thanks for the pointer. Thinking about it, I do use different effects in different parts of the same song - usually it's the intro or chords to fill out parts in "quieter" sections, and it would be great to be able to continue to do this without adding a pedal. I guess one could have different scenes for different sections ????? But I wonder about the ease of finding them in the heat of the moment...... Do other units have a similar "pictogram" style user interface on the PC/app??

Great response. Many thanks 👍

I realise that this topic has probably been done to death ..... but ....... I'd like a "pedal" to provide a number of "scenes" for live gigging use. Covers band so lots of different styles (from Creedence Clearwater to Ghost, via Miley Cyrus) and no time between songs to fiddle/reset pedal settings. Don't want to scroll through lots of options, just want a simple device to allow a couple of different EQ's (two basses so be great to be able to swap without having to tinker), Octave, Chorus, Compression, Drive, Synth/organ plus a Tuner (muted signal when using) which can be combined, where necessary, to provide a tailored sound specific to a particular songs. A volume pedal would be nice too. Not too fussed about dozens of different amp/cab sims, but would be nice to use for practice so Aux in, Headphones out, plus a D.I. I've had a go on my son's Line 6 Pod Go, but it's far too complex for me and provides far more than I need. Thought a HX Stomp or maybe the Zoom B6n might do the trick but even they seem way over-specced for my rudimentary needs. Just need a set of buttons on the floor, maybe displaying the name of the "Scene". Is this unrealistic or am I just being lazy??

Just as a reminder ........ the OP was looking for answers concerning whether IEM's might be the solution to helping him hear the vocals, especially as the mix only contains vocals. I'd say, give an ambient Mic a whirl (plus IEM's) - I don't think you need to invest much in terms of an expensive mic, I used an old Samson vocal mic (12 years old and picks up everything!). I guess you'll need a mic stand and that's about it.

Prior to investing in a H4N Pro, I thought I'd try an old Mic to capture the live sound. as we're all in the mixer anyway it's no more hassle than adding another device so I thought why not. Worked surprisingly well! Tried it again at last weeks rehearsal this time just with vocals in the mixer feed. Again really surprising benefit. Re-instates that live feel and lets you pick up the vocal chat off mic. The ambient Drum sound is really helpful and again is surprisingly "present", especially the kick!

OK Ta.

Well .... why not .... Very modified Squire Precision Special, into a few pedally things and into the Genzler Magellan 800 plus a couple of Mesa Subway Ultralites. Lots of room this weekend and new IEMs getting a run out. All looked a bit more "Rock an' Roll once the house light were off!! 🤠 The hat was resting.

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. In light of which I shall, - endeavour to get guitar(s) (and bass) to FOH, as advised - continue to negotiate the stage sound levels down a little. - chill out and improve my IEM approach - look for a new band, sell PA and get on with enjoying playing bass. Sorted 🤭 Thanks everyone.

Thanks Bill. Working on it!! But still resistance as the baked in belief is that it's not possible to get "that" sound without driving the guitar amp/ cab. And the ear plugs are just that! And the cab has a slanted top baffle!! I'm doomed,🙄😓

I'd be deaf within a month ........ Problem solved I guess 😀