Pirellithecat

Hey Ho .......... If I stick too my budget I guess that leaves me on the second hand Fender Player, or if I'm really lucky a 90's MIJ, a Sire (of some description, new or used), a Squire or a G&L? If not for the weight the Sire would probably be the likely winner methinks ...... Anyone able to comment on how one of the Bass Centre Jive Basses (or Betsy) stack up in this context?? Thanks for all the ideas.

I use the Stereo channel at live gigs. If the "Recording Input" is ABOVE 0.5 to 1.0 the output distorts and the Red LED flickers. The unit is "top of head height" on Mic Stand towards the front mid right of the stage. To minimise additional wires on stage, I do not add anything else into the unit - I just take the headphone out via a very long 3.5mm jack to jack to a little mixer by my feet. (cable adapter at mixer end to a stereo channel.) I power the unit from a Battery Powerpack at the base of the Mic Stand. (lasts for several gigs). I use the H4N via a small mixer which also accepts my bass - at least this is by my feet so I can adjust the mix to my wireless IEM's. Our live gigs don't provide the luxury of set-up/sound check in an empty room, prior to kick off. It's set up, make sure it's all working and there's no feedback, and do a sound check number just prior to our first number and hope for the best. Needs work!!

Are these made in China? ...... seems probable but i really can't find a country of manufacture (which might suggest they are .... ) If not they seem ideal.

Thanks for the info. I do like the idea of a Sadowsky - I've played a MIJ one and the neck is perfect for me ......... but, as the MetroExpress is made in China, and I'm trying to reduce my reliance on all things Chinese , it's not for me. I find the Fender Players a bit heavy, borrowed one and it didn't really "inspire" me. My Squier Standard P Bass Special Standard has a nicer neck profile (not a mile away from the Sadowsky) so maybe i should get a second hand Squire Standard Jazz and mod it ???? Anyone have experience of the neck "feel"/profile of a MIJ Fender Jazz vs Sadowsky (or indeed Squire Standard) neck profile?

After playing basses with a P pickup for years, I fancy a try out on a Jazz. It's not only a nice narrow neck that I fancy, but also to see the difference in the sound. What might be a good model to go for for this budget (ish)? Are the Sire's really that good? Better than a second hand Fender Mexican Jazz? Are the Sandberg Electra's close to a trad jazz bass? Or might a second hand MIJ 62 reissue be worth a punt? I'm miles away from stockists and would either risk a second hand example or go new from the likes of Thomann. Any guidance appreciated.

Ditto Lekato fine for crowd surfing within reason. I'd guess 20 metres no problem. I spend our sound check / first number out in the mosh pit/ bar and have experienced no issues with the Lekato.

Great idea - I'll try it tomorrow!!!

When did you see us play??? (minus keyboard) 🙄🤣

We really struggled with feedback initially, and certainly getting the gain sorted on the mics helped. Surprisingly though it was the monitor/mic positioning/monitor volumes which proved to be the key. i.e The Monitors were much more important than I thought and once this was sorted feedback is no longer an issue. Things that helped 1) Matching the stage position of the monitors in accordance with the type of Mics has really helped, Cardiod/Hypercardiod, etc 2) Getting the monitor volume down. Once the band's in full cry there's a surprising amount of sound for FOH on stage, so getting the idea that the monitor is just supplementing the sound that's needed really helps. However, this it the most difficult aspect, as people never say " the Monitors Too loud" . 3) Taken the tack of... "Yes, we can sort out the volume in a minute ....... for now it's just the relative level of each element not the overall volume", if the "balance is right we can adjust as the set goes on IF it's not loud enough. So if someone asks to be louder they may be saying " I can't hear myself over the other vocals (etc.)". So the balance could be achieved by reducing the other elements in the mix. Still need to remove all the knobs on the monitors to stop the band member deciding to tweak their monitors tone/volume during the gig!! Or just say "sod it" and concentrate on bass playing.

You mean it's not just me ???? ...... Phew, cheered me up no end!

Hi - Started with Boss WL 20 = 2.4Ghz Started using IEM's XVive = 2.4Ghz Lots of drop outs Moved to Lekato 5.8Ghz and kept using XVive 2.4Ghz Problem completely resolved. Pity really as the Boss Units are an order of magnitude better in terms of ease of use and quality.

You're not alone!!!

This is a great shame. Might be the wrong thread, but is there an equally well built/great playing/well priced alternative with better customer focus??

TRS leads ordered as suggested. I've tried the BDI21 as a splitter, but it seems to generate quite a bit of noise (as does a passive DI in the same role) This is with feed to mixer from XLR out and "Instrument out" . Have I missed something/done something wrong? In general though, if there's a spare channel, the idea of using a separate channel for FOH and IEMs seems to work pretty well - even if that's just a "feeling" of control!!.

Thanks for that - yep I too was concerned about the link and was going to get a proper link sorted (or in my case, more likely "shorted") once I'd tried it out. I also have A BDI21 and can try that out later today. The little box shown is an elegant solution though. Tried the set up on Friday's Gig and the whole FOH/Monitor arrangement works well - it's getting better with each bit of implemented advice. However, in an effort to reduce overall stage noise I put my bass cab close up to the wall adjacent to the Drummer in an effort to reduce stage volume ('cos with the bass in his lug hole the drummer might want things turned down a bit!!). But it's a really dreadful/bassy venue and I could not EQ the very boomy/mushy bass out of the set up without ending up with a rather "Clanky" sound (on stage). Great in ears though but very distracting trying to get the room sound OK. Also, spent time EQing the guitar feed to IEMs and that turned out well. So, doubling up he channels works well, spending time EQing (quite aggressively) the guitar also worked well (I have a spare channel I may also double this up to get FOH mix and IEM mix separate). Weekend off "Covers" next weekend (but working on a new Folk/Fretless project so the mixing trick might be needed!!) and then another tricky/small pub to practice on! Onwards and upwards!! Many thanks for all the inputs (😅)!

First update. Just rewired things so that it's simpler. Half insert ordinary jack into Insert on 1 channel and feed this into adjacent channel input. Seems to work just as well and reduces complexity/no of wires. So now it's Bass - Pedal Board - Amp - DI (preEQ) into mixer Channnel 1 (> FOH), Insert out to Channel 2 for IEM's. So dead simple. We'll see later!!

Used a passive DI box to take signal from Insert on the mixer bass guitar channel to a free channel so I now have a FOH bass feed and an IEM bass feed I can now adjust volume and tone for on stage, In Ear and FOH independently🤞 We'll see how it goes at tomorrow's gig!! Thanks all!

Thanks . The Fractal is an FX8. Basically I think the only way to take a feed which captures the pre-amp and effects is to split the FX return. But I'm just a bass player, so don't understand the essential "Foo" of amping guitars for magicness!! I quite like the mixer solution though .... is this a better route than just inserting an e.g. BDI21 or equivalent into the feed from the Bass? Alternatively I guess I could use it as an "Insert"????? Sorry if this post just demonstrates my lack of knowledge on all this .... but better to ask and get shot down as it's all part of the learning curve. 🙄