Jenny_Innie

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1419893652' post='2643817'] whats 4 ohms between friends? :-) Yeah you would expect them to br the same, are you going to do the crossover thing alex meantions on his website to make it a 4ohm? [/quote] Hmmm. I wonder if it will give enough lows to be a viable one cab solution. That 4 Ohm thing might also affect its performance when twinned with the Compact. The TC can handle down to 2.66 Ohms according to their website. So the resultant 3 Ohms of the two cabs pared (with Two10 in 4 Ohm guise) would be okay .... but I'm wondering if I should just keep it as it is.

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1419891603' post='2643768'] I have no idea how the power management on the tc head is interpreting a 16ohm cab.... probably not a goix match [/quote] 12 Ohm you mean. I have since had a go with a MiBass 550 too and get the same thing.

See my initial review here: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/252266-barefaced-retro-two10-first-thoughts/page__fromsearch__1"]http://basschat.co.uk/topic/252266-barefaced-retro-two10-first-thoughts/page__fromsearch__1[/url]

So, I got this Barefaced Retro Two10 for Christmas. I already had a loaner Compact Generation 2, going spare from my Dad’s bass player. I like the Compact. It has a great rumbly sound, but I’ve had a bit of trouble with it in a live situation. Great by itself, but when the guitar, drums and keys come in, I couldn’t get on with it. No matter how much I tweaked my TC RH450, I couldn’t get enough definition. I tried Ashdown and Ampeg heads and got different versions of the same thing. Everyone out front and in the band said the Compact sounded great, but I couldn’t hear some of the notes I was playing. What was I expecting from a 1x15 cab with no tweeter I suppose? So, courtesy of Moneybags, sorry I mean Dad, in comes this new 2x10 (again with no tweeter) from Barefaced. He didn’t tell me how much he paid, but I can see that would have been just short of £500 with postage. Few things to consider. I play in an all girl punk/pop three piece with guitar, bass and drums. We also have a new keys player too who synths, Hammonds and Wurlitzers it like a good ‘un (in rehearsals now). I play a Precision and a Jazz with a pick. I do need something sort of small and light as I’m too small to carry heavy things and I can’t always get someone to do it. I like to hit it hard when I play and I move about a lot. You can hear my bass. So that’s the thing. Now down to the cab(s). I have reached a conclusion about these two cabs. The smarter of you will be able to guess the answer without reading on. But here goes. This is all based on a rehearsal we had in the old village hall on Boxing Day. Big old room, with us at one end. I got there early and tried lots of settings and combinations by myself and then did the same with the band. I was also using a borrowed TC RH750 – which I’m hoping to hold on to for a (long) while. The Compact is very good. It’s very light and not too bulky. It looks a bit funny though. It’s a bit like a big lump of coal. The handle is in an odd place on the side. I thought it should be on the top. Looks well-built enough, although I don’t think the grill would take too much to dent. Sound-wise, the Compact is great. Get’s a nice rumble and full sound. Good with a bit of distortion too. I like the teeniest of imperceptible dirt in there and that’s good with this cab. It also handles as much power as I could throw at it without “cab distortion”. It took some over zealous EQ tweaking to get the Compact to struggle with the 750 watts of power. Impressive. So what’s not to like? Nothing really. Well that is, apart from the lack of definition thing when the band is in full swing. It’s a real issue, as I prefer to forget about my gear and just play. When I have settings and levels and positioning on my mind, I don’t feel as able to perform. A bass player I know said I might want to stand still when I play. Yeah, there are spots on the floor where the sound is better. But, as if? Maybe if it had a tweeter or an extra six inch speaker? I think they do them. Bottom line is, it’s a good cab, with a lot of things going for it. Love those 15” lows, but needs a bit more bite. You can’t get these 1x15 versions any more. Shame that. Here’s a link to the product website: [url="http://barefacedbass.com/product-range/Compact.htm"]http://barefacedbass.com/product-range/Compact.htm[/url] And then there’s the new Retro Two10. First thing worth saying. Unlike the Compact, it’s a cute thing. I mean, not well cutesy, but still a looker. I got the 12 Ohm one (more of that in a minute) with the silver cloth front. Finish quality is excellent. In what I hear is a break from Barefaced tradition, this one is covered in tolex and not the company’s lump of coal effect thing. The tolex looks a bit better than your average too. I’ve seen too many Marshall etc cabs ripped here and there. Very smooth with no grain effect really. That’s probably good. I’ll still be careful with it though, as you know tolex. Anyway, I know it’s 3 kg heavier than the Compact, but it doesn’t feel like that. It sort of feels the same weight. In fact, it’s a bit easier to carry as it’s a little bit smaller than the Compact. I do worry carrying a tolex cab about though – especially as RoqSolid don’t do a cover yet. I have sent dimensions to them though. I plonked it on top of the compact (both on their side) and played it by itself and with the Compact. When A/B’ed with the Compact, I noticed that the Compact has a cleaner sound. The Two10 is almost grainy sounding beside it. Maybe it’s that “old school” sound, whatever that means. There’s also a funny thing. When using it on its side (as I think it is supposed to be given the orientation of the logo), the TC head didn’t sit on top easily. The handle gets in the way. Again, I think the handle is in the wrong place. Should be on the short side. One big thing became immediately apparent. The Retro Two10 is nowhere near as loud as the Compact for any given point on the volume dial. In fact, I struggled to get enough volume with the Two10 by itself playing with the band. As I said, I was using my other Christmas present, a TC RH750. Through the Compact, it’s totally deafening at full chat. Through the Two10 – it wasn’t loud enough. It’s a 12 Ohmer isn’t it? Nuff said. The Retro Two10 could handle all of the power of the TC RH750 without any issues – but, as a 12 Ohmer, that was probably only 300 odd watts. Also, it doesn’t have the lows of the Compact. It had definition, but the sound was a bit thin and wasn’t loud enough. However, paired with the Compact, it was right on it. Brilliant sound, nuclear explosion loud, a real “slam-dunk”,“hit by a freight train” sound. Ooh, it gave me the shivers. [url="http://barefacedbass.com/product-range/retro-two10.htm"]http://barefacedbass.com/product-range/retro-two10.htm[/url] Conclusion 1. The 8 Ohm Compact is really good, but, as a 1x15 with no tweeter, isn’t the answer by itself. Great rumbly lows, but not enough definition. 2. The 12 Ohm Retro Two10 looks good and has a slightly “coloured” grainy sound. Good, although it lacks some lows. But, it’s not loud enough by itself, even with a 750 watt amp. I’m not even sure that having two of them together would be what I need? I wouldn’t buy one of these, in 12 Ohm guise, as a stand-alone cab. 3. Both cabs together are the bomb. Massively loud, a rumbly bad girl deep sound, with battering-ram lows and every note is very clear. Brill. It’s the conclusion I was hoping wouldn’t happen I suppose. I am looking for a lightweight one-cab solution, and neither of the Barefaced units is the answer. Paired together, they are amazing. I guess that’s entirely predictable. Although they’re both light, you will need both of them to get that slamdunk sound. But what a sound. It’ll take an extra walk out to the car on gig nights – but could be worth it.

Does anyone else, other than me, actually have one of these? I'd like to hear their thoughts.

I have that issue too. Exactly that. The Piezo pickup is massively louder. So much so, that I couldn't figure out what the controls did. Am I right in saying that the pickup nearest the neck is the Pbass pickup volume, the one in the middle is a tone (is it a master tone) and the one closest to the bridge is the pickup blend switch? I'm gonna have to get someone to have a look at mine to make it useable. Great bass to play - but as soon as ya plug it in there is that volume imbalance thing.

Sitting it beside the Compact Gen 2, the handle looks fairly similar, but feels a lot more sturdy and more substantial in build. The tolex looks a really good job. Not really any tolex grain - which is probably good. Much, much better than Marshall tolex for example. Mum has one of the Marshall "hand built" 2 x 12 Marshall cabs and Dad has quite a few Marshall 4 x 12s. They look as if you could sneeze and the tolex would rip. I'm not gonna take any chances mind, but this looks smoother and more solid. Yuk to the Compact Gen 2 "lump of coal" finish by comparison. They should consider changing the whole range to this tolex.

By the way, Dad has been in contact with RoqSolid about having a cover made. They don't stock one right now, but said they would make one once I had the cab and could send pics and measurements. I've spent all afternoon doing that and sent the results off to Bryn at RoqSolid. They are on their Christmas break now until the new year - so it might be a while, but at least I've started the process. I'll provide an update when I hear more about that.

By the way, Dad has been in contact with RoqSolid about having a cover made. They don't stock one right now, but said they would make one once I had the cab and could send pics and measurements. I've spent all afternoon doing that and sent the results off to Bryn at RoqSolid. They are on their Christmas break now until the new year - so it might be a while, but at least I've started the process. I'll provide an update when I hear more about that.

He said he ordered it in late June - so it's taken just short of six months to arrive. I'll tell you if it has been worth the wait in a few days.

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1419327579' post='2638717'] I've been toying with the idea of a 2x10 myself recently, they don't seem to be much heavier than a 1x12 and look like a good choice for a one cab solution.. is that a port on the bottom? I've never seen one there before... [/quote] It's got a hole in the side on the right as you look at it which lets you see inside. No idea what that's for, but it looks cool.

I've still got the Generation 2 Compact, which my Dad's bass player doesn't seem to interested in having back. He's got a mountain of gear though, so he doesn't need it. I'll be testing it alone and with the Compact to see how it rolls. It's a very pretty thing though. They should offer it in other colours though, like red and pink and green and white and stuff. We isn't all old men y'know.

My Dad said he ordered it aaaaaaages ago. It was supposed to be for my birthday in September, but he seemed happy that I got it for Christmas. Upside is, he also go me a "backup Christmas present" which is under the tree for the big day! [sharedmedia=core:attachments:179160] [sharedmedia=core:attachments:179163] I'll give it a bash tonight ..... although I might play some loud iPod stuff through it for the evening tonight to get it going, so might be tomoz.

Oh aren't Dad's great. He's off to Europe for Christmas with Mum so I got my present early ....... and here it is. Wow. I'm shocked. I said I wanted some bass gear, and I was expecting a cab. But I didn't think I'd get one of these. Came in the post first thing this morning. It's tiny and quite light, which is great if you're only little like me. Why do I have to spend all day packing computers when I could be testing my new baby. I think I'll slope off at lunchtime! [attachment=179160:Front.JPG] [attachment=179161:Frontside.JPG] [attachment=179162:Slope.JPG] [attachment=179163:Back.JPG]

If you like the people, I'd stay and see if it can go somewhere. If you're not fussed about them as people, I'd do one as fast as I could.

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[quote name='TraceAmp' timestamp='1418720424' post='2632555'] The Amps will be available in stores around february 2015. [/quote] So you work for, or are some agent of, the company then?

[quote name='Jenny_Innie' timestamp='1418649570' post='2631949'] Where did you actually buy the head from? [/quote] ..... as I like the look of these, but can't see anywhere worldwide that they are in stock. Can you mention where you bought it from so that I can have a look?

Where did you actually buy the head from?

Okay, also - so can you tell me what the difference is between the following outs on a bass amp: Line Out Send Sub Out DI

I have a technical question about sub placement. Me and my girlie band are having our first outing next weekend at a party and we're borrowing a PA off my dad's drummer. Guitar, bass, drums, punkie. Nobody is coming with us to help set up - so we're sort of flying blind. We have a play with it at a rehearsal in the hall that the party will be in. All was fine, saved the settings and we'll tweak from there given that there will be people there and not an empty hall next time. We didn't use the sub as it wouldn't fit in my boot- just the two tops and a couple of monitors. We'll have the sub on the day though. Where do you put the sub (I mean physically place it). Is it okay to have it at the back beside the drummer? I know you ain't supposed to have the mics ahead of the vocal tops (which is fine) - but does the same apply for subs? Touch of bass and the kick will be going through there. There is a configurable/dedicated sub out on the desk. It's just that the sub is big and will look weird and big and we're thinking of having some plant pots in the only space it could go at the front.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1418146409' post='2627372'] Not sure what your point is... [/quote] That's a pic from the Barefaced twitter account - so they're highlighting someone who uses a 2x10 on top of a 1x15. I get the fact that the 2x10 would be different - but I'm guessing, if you order one of those, it'd resell okay - so you could give it a spin with little risk.

This: [url="https://twitter.com/AlanMcGeoch/status/483218505081561088/photo/1"]https://twitter.com/AlanMcGeoch/status/483218505081561088/photo/1[/url]

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1418122115' post='2626986'] ....... I'm not sure I see the benefit of running a Two10 and Compact together..... [/quote] Please explain yourself sir. I have the use of a Compact for now and I can have it if I want it. I said in another post that I like the low down sound, but need a bit more clarity. Adding one of these, and putting it on top, would retain that low down Compact sound, but add more to it - and up at my ear level. I see a lot of people sitting a 4x10 on top of a 1x15 ...... so in my, less volume required scenario, I figured that sitting a 2x10 on top of a 1x15 of the same brand might be a interesing?