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[quote name='Earbrass' timestamp='1361961433' post='1993567'] Well, if we're doing poetry now... [i]Our Nigel has started a thread[/i] [i]With a subtext as plain as your head:[/i] [i]"Stop debating the details[/i] [i]Of the greatness of Beatles[/i] [i]And listen to my band instead!"[/i] [/quote] Very good mate. I am sorry it seems to you that I'm starting threads to promote my own band's music. I'm trying to get people to hear other BCer's bands on another thread through, and you should check out GarethFlatlands' band inFictions, they are superb. And Owen's work is also quite lovely.

Aren't T-Birds dead weedy sounding? In your sitch I think I'd be tempted by a secondhand Warwick Corvette $$ bolt on. £450-£500. Hugely versatile, look cool, great ergonomics, eminently slingable on stage, and sounds as big as Beyonce's leg.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1361894454' post='1992605'] I agree with SteveK. It's not really a serious question is it, because it'll never happen. Ever. It's like asking people not to write any more poetry. Can't be done. Even the most oppressive regimes in history have not been able to totally subdue people's inherent creativity and desire to commit their thoughts to words or music. So, the question has to be entirely hypothetical. In which case, entirely hypothetical answers are only to be expected and it seems strange to become "troubled" by any of them. There are plenty of things in the world today to get seriously 'troubled' about without inventing hypothetical ones. [/quote] So you're saying it wasn't really worth posting

[quote name='Donnyboy' timestamp='1361863957' post='1991965'] The '90's..... [/quote]

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1361882300' post='1992320'] I just didn't realise [b]how[/b] serious As you were... [/quote] Have you contributed to the 3 word per post story yet?

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1361881660' post='1992300'] Headed for starters. [/quote] 2-a-side or 4-in-a-row?

[quote name='Tankdave' timestamp='1361881365' post='1992288'] Singing sure is "bloody awefull", but it takes "all-sorts" I suppose. [/quote] Does that mean you find it full of awe?

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1361881416' post='1992293'] Good grief Nigel, get a grip! I, and I guess many other posters, assumed that your question was posted as just a light-hearted bit of fun and replied accordingly. If we thought that you would find [i]'some of the responses quite troubling'[/i] then, I'm sure, that we would have taken a little more time to consider the question, and posted more than the 1 or 2 lines that I, and most others have contributed... or not have posted at all. [/quote] You'd have known had I intended it to be a light-hearted thread It's a serious question

[quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1361881154' post='1992283'] An end to all new music would seriously poop me off. I love new music. And by that I don't just mean discovering previously unheard stuff (which is itself great fun); I mean seeking out music that has been recently created by new and upcoming artists. For me, that's where it's at. I get bored rigid by the idea that the best music has already been recorded, and that no new music can ever compete with the halcyon days of yore. That's conservatism at its worst in my opinion: putting the blinkers on to preserve the music of one's own generation, as though wanting to freeze time and deny the march of cultural change. Fact is, you can love [i]all[/i] music, old and new. But the world would be a much less lively and interesting place without new music fueling the heady souls of them young folk down the discotheque... And if the new music they enjoy didn't rankle the previous generation, then something would certainly be amiss So yes, new music matters a lot. It changes with and reflects the times we live in. Just like art, fashion, language and all other forms of cultural expression. And if you think there's no good new music out there, then you're almost certainly looking in the wrong places... [/quote] Great post mate!

This is great to hear! Just checked your SC page, some really good music on there, and a nice fit with MS. Cool!

[quote name='Earbrass' timestamp='1361878789' post='1992227'] Not exactly sure what point you are trying to make here, but it's worth pointing out that the context of the listener is important too, not just that of the creator. To take some examples, a western listener and a Javanese listener might both enjoy gamelan music, but one might experience it as intriguingly exotic and strange, the other might experience it as comfortingly familiar, and a sound of home. When we hear, for example, baroque music today we may find different things in it from those noticed by its contemporary audience because we have also heard so much music that has been written since. I find dixieland jazz music rather bland and a bit cheesy, but once it was new, vibrant and even shocking. What I'm trying to say is that I'm not sure there is such a thing as the "intrinsic melodic, harmonic and rhythmic values in isolation" - the listening experience will always be at least as much a reflection of the cultural context of the listener as it will be of the cultural context of the creator. [/quote] Fair points. I suppose I meant technical appreciation, like a musicologist. But you're right, the listener's context is just as important.

[quote name='bassace' timestamp='1361877253' post='1992184'] I suppose KB players are no different from any other musicians. There are good ones and not so good ones. Re timekeeping, there are so many musicians that rely on the bass and drums to keep time/swing etc whereas [b]I always feel that every man should be his own rhythm section with an inate sense of swing/groove/whatever.[/b] [/quote] Bang on, if you don't have that there's not much you can say on your instrument.

It's going to end up looking like this isn't it

[quote name='Jacqueslemac' timestamp='1361869679' post='1992023'] Value is in the hands of whoever is listening to it. [b]What I meant is that it's difficult to write something that's clearly different from what's gone before.[/b] Everyone who writes music has been exposed to so much variety, it must be very difficult to write something that hasn't been done before in some shape or form. We're all influenced by what's gone before, whether or not we know it. For example, listen to Paradise by Dr Feelgood and then listen to Curfew by Jags/Steve Carl, recorded 20 years before. Did Wilko do it on purpose or was the melody just lodged in his brain somewhere? The first person to decide to use a guitar, drums and bass in a band had nothing to act as a point of reference. I remember Jack White insisting on keeping the White Stripes as a two-piece so that he had to explore new ways of creating music within that parameter. he felt that if he added another guitar, the music would end up sounding like too many other twin-guitar bands. [/quote] I think that way lies music of little significance. Deliberately trying to be different would seem to me to create music that is emotionally quite barren, it comes from an proactive engineering solution rather than a reactive emotional expression. Although I'll grant you their are many musicians who can't seem to connect their more complex emotions to their musical expression.

[quote name='leschirons' timestamp='1361876049' post='1992156'] There seem to be a few posts on this thread suggesting that there is so much undiscovered music out there already that it wouldn't really matter if no more new stuff was created as there is loads to still hear as "new" to that person. We'll always discover old "new" stuff and that's great but, I've always been of the opinion that in most cases, music created is due to what the writer has to say at that particular time in their lives and is also influenced by the current state of society at that time. Punk being a prime example. It would be a real shame to lose the musical viewpoint of all those future writers and composers. [/quote] Absolutely. I am finding some of the responses quite troubling. Some are like music is only for people who 'appreciate' music for its intrinsic melodic, harmonic and rhythmic values in isolation, rather than as a reflection of the people creating it, a reflection of context.

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1361872124' post='1992071'] [b]Someone has a good Billy Sheehan quote in their sig. Something like "You should only move to 5 strings after spending a good bit of time on 4. A minimum of 20 years".[/b] I'm still on 4 string despite having played for nearer 30 years. So on that note, I'm gonna suggest 6 strings (& maybe a drone string too). [/quote] It's a ridiculous quote really isn't it. I feel sure he doesn't stand by it. It's complete bullshit. I vote for four strings, simply because the bass will look much nicer than a five or six.

[quote name='iceonaboy' timestamp='1360935730' post='1978595'] Just downloaded the Deftones new album Koi no Yukan...its fookin superb! [media]http://youtu.be/JF1Tw0dmVg0[/media] [/quote] Ah! Is it that good? Hope so! I'll be having that then My favourite heavy band and have been for 10 years or more.

[quote name='iceonaboy' timestamp='1361869811' post='1992025'] Is that them in your link? If so, its superb! [/quote] Yeah, inFictions. It is indeed superb!

[quote name='bobbass4k' timestamp='1361849983' post='1991933'] There is a place for growling and screaming (done well, which this isn't), but it has to be counterpointed with more melodic vocals. Case in point: Deftones [/quote] Chino doesn't growl.

The Lakland I tried was ridiculously thin and shallow, but it was a big step too far for me. The newer Fender necks are about perfect for me, but really it's all about ergonomics, the kit has to fit the person, so a fast neck for some will be a slow one for others.

The comedy 'I WILL KILL YOU" voice again I really can't get it, there's a rather large piece of my brain missing that means I can't understand what the positive associations are that allow some people to like this style of singing. It's good though, can't deny it.

[quote name='skoze' timestamp='1361833234' post='1991810'] We supported them for their Brighton gig, can confirm all three are on the bill (Y) Their set was great, enjoy! [/quote] Superb news, thank you! And lucky you lot supporting them! Was it fun?

[quote name='Bass Lady' timestamp='1361822609' post='1991568'] Firstly, a really interesting question and apologies as I suspect this may turn into a rant. Nothing personal against the OP or any other points of view, it just ties in so nicely with a few different things that have happened / said to me today. As a music teacher (classroom), a classically trained musician but also someone who loves all types of music and currently playing in a swing / cover band I suppose I am maybe coming at this from a slightly different perspective. I do find this discussion by musicians very intersting yet quite depressing at the same time. If Bach had said he was only going to perform / listen to / compose like Wiiliam Byrd................................. If Mozart had said he wasn't going to bother with anything new as Bach had already done it.................... If Beethoven had said that he couldn't do anything new because Mozart was better than him............................ If Tchaikovsky etc.etc skip 100 years If The Beatles had said they weren't going to do anything new because Rock n Roll had been done If Pink Floyd had said they could never be as popular as The Beatles.......................... If Mark King / Flea / Victor Wooten (replace with your own fav) had said well there's no point in getting good because they could never be as popular as Paul McCartney................. etc. etc. etc. Hopefully my point has been made, using very quickly thought out examples. My main point is, WE are the current generation / era / period of musicians and if we decide that everything has already been done well that's it then, evolution is over. Yes, there are only so many notes and many things have been done to regurgitate "old" music but you think of the progress / inventions / technological advances that have been made in the last fifty / sixty years. Don't get me wrong, I am not a huge fan of the music (that I have heard) that has been released in the last decade or so but we are looking at a very small portion of musical evolution and I just hope (I am fairly sure it won't happen) that in a hundred years time the next musical era doesn't look back at this time and call us the "unimaginative" or the "uninspiring" or the "well they had it all but decided not to bother" era. Okay, now I should explain the rant. Firstly, GCSE music pupils who are dragging their heels over composition coursework because it's too hard / they can't think of anything / the software is too difficult to use, yet expect to continue their musical studies onto A level and beyond. I encourage the kids to work to their strengths so no, I'm not trying to make the next Jimi Hendrix write a string quartet but apparently it is too much hard work to pick up a guiter and strum some chords or to much like hard work to actually research the style or genre of music they have decided to compose in. Secondly, a maths teacher who's reply to me about a rehearsal (at lunchtime) wasn't important as "music is just a hobby" and was quite suprised when I told him that with that answer he had just given up all rights to listen to any music as it's "just a hobby". Lastly, a pupil (private lessons) who got quite upset because I wouldn't give him anything new to learn as he had done no practise at all this week (even though he claimed to have at the start of the lesson) and couldn't understand why I said to him he had just wasted his parents (hard earned) money. Should add, this is someone who wants to gone on to music college and wants to be a pro. ............. and breathe. As mentioned, I don't want to upset anyone just seemed an appropriate rant for today. Cheers, Rachel [/quote] Great post Rachel, thank you. I think for some people it takes a little time to develop the true passion, and for others the passion burns brightly until they lose it and move on to Victorian dental equipment collecting or something. Some have the gift and the passion and will never lose it. But I think I'd agree if someone said that with today's technology has come impatience along with dwindling ability and desire to puzzle-solve.

[quote name='witterth' timestamp='1361820424' post='1991501'] Awww thanks Nige, that means a lot cos I've heared you Play on sound clips here and I'll never "get there" you are Gent for being so nice. Hope all is well with you (and Mrs X) [/quote] You are too modest, that's class playing man! And expressive. It's got maturity and great pulse. Hey, we do this to express ourselves right? Yeah we're cool, she's not far to go now, and she's been so brave. Thanks so much for your thoughts mate

Depends on how much the partners respect each other. I've heard of blokes on here being quite smug about 'sneaking' in new kit. Hardly a trusting relationship is it.