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[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1365295424' post='2037837'] Mighty Mite replacement necks (third seller) are second only to, er... Allparts. They're licensed by Fender too, so you need feel no 'decal guilt'. [/quote] I had a MM fretless neck on a Precision Special, it had a composite board and it was fantastic!

[quote name='Spoombung' timestamp='1365694413' post='2043086'] Never seen a bassist do it (apart form Jaco on Youtube) and never want to. [/quote] I take it you don't visit the BC Recording section then I just noticed there's one at the top of the section right now, but I dare not listen to it and I hope the guy's not offended by this thread!

[quote name='2pods' timestamp='1365693950' post='2043074'] I really like that tone. How did you get it, or is that a Nige trade secret ? [/quote] [quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1365694381' post='2043084'] Rather tasty that - if I do say so [/quote] Thanks 2pods It's a Warwick Corvette $$ into a POD X3 LIVE into a Tascam 2488 MkII and flown in as a WAV. 51m0n mixed and mastered it and did his magic with the bass track.

[quote name='fumps' timestamp='1365677804' post='2042664'] Have a blast you guys deserve it [/quote]

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1365601386' post='2041638'] He sounds cool to me and I expect he will himself expect to have to show some chops, so let him steal the show. He probably will anyway You'll prorbaly find he has played some massive gigs and is cool about them as well, as in, they would have beena great buzz.. and if your mate knows him, he will know his character. [b]We have a local guy round here who has played in probably one of the TOP 3 favourite BC bands, I'd suspect. Everyone likes him and respects him as he is a NICE guy to boot...so when he has a story to tell...no one sees it as 'name-dropping' or any sort of agenda... they listen and join in on the joke.[/b] [/quote] Yeah, Dave Swift's cool man

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1365690825' post='2043002'] I can give you advice, which is obviously priceless I can also give you a link which may be a bit more helpful [url="http://www.alsacorp.com/products/chromefx/chromefx_prodinfo.htm"]http://www.alsacorp....fx_prodinfo.htm[/url] [/quote] Oh, they're in the US. Thank God for that I nearly had my Honda Hornet chromed, but had a custom paint job instead. I love chrome

[quote name='Zenitram' timestamp='1365691116' post='2043010'] You should probably listen to something else then. [/quote] I do. All the time But I also heck out lots of music, on here and on Youtube. It's very educational.

Just to add to the theme, I can't play jazz. I don't dig on Jazz. The general cadence and structure of most jazz displeases me greatly. Therefore I can't play it with any semblance of authenticity or competence. A jazzer would crack up at my attempts. However, I do love walking bass, especially when played out of context. I have little theory that can help me play it, but when I do the things that happen really give me a buzz, so although a jazzer could take me apart, there is no doubt in my mind that what I'm doing is real and musical, and has passion, it's not jazz, but that does not diminish its musical worth.

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1365690615' post='2042989'] Nige, Why don't you make that a chrome fender? [/quote] I like the idea mate, how much cash can you give me?

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1365690241' post='2042979'] yes there is an extra skill required but it's not the same as seeing a whole band perform, I don't like seeing a drum machine used it's seems like cheating to me, mind you I don't like my music to be overly complicated which is a trap that the loopers I've seen fall into [/quote] There is no such thing as cheating in music. Only musicians say that sh*t Whatever it takes to compose, record, produce and perform the music is cool. The end result is all that matters. What I can't abide about most of the bassists playing ERBs with loopers is the sheer mediocrity and lack of emotion in their output.

[quote name='bluejay' timestamp='1365673119' post='2042566'] Thank you both! Sam, I want one to hang on the wall too - it's too big for little me to play anyway Nige, how [i]could[/i] you get rid of your chrome Streamer for a bl**dy Fender??!?? [/quote] I fancied a change Silvia. Fender has a big place in my heart, there is some seriously deep romance for me with Fender. I have toyed with them in the past, but it was time for me to get a really good USA Jazz, and boy, the one I bought of the lovely Pestie on here is rocking my world. I wonder how long it will last Seriously though, I feel so bonded to it right now I could cry tears of joy!

[quote name='MartyForrer' timestamp='1365651576' post='2042361'] Virtuoso? Gunslinger? Bass player? Oxymoron? I've listened to all the Woottens, Ferauds, and evryone else who can wiggle their fingers faster than a speeding bullet. What I personally am hearing is a lot of soul-less scalar playing. Dont get me wrong, these guys have more talent in their farts than I have ever had. I saw Lee Sklar playing with JT and he played a solo to die for. The master of the whole note BURNED! Possibly not what you'd call a virtuoso, but got a standing ovation from the crowd for it!~ Jaco was not as fast as many are today, and his playing was very extroverted, but the soul and feeling in every single note was more than all the modern gunslingers put together. His bass SANG! Ray Brown and Paul Chambers... once again, every single note had feeling and purpose. They didn't give a rats about being fast, or showing off, they played with soul and purpose. Sorry, all these gunslinger guys leave me cold. BTW: I went to a Freddy Washington clinic once.... great groover, but nothing much there impressed me. I guess I'm just a hard to please, boring old curmudgeon..... [/quote] Read my OP to see what I mean by gunslingers. I completely agree with you.

[quote name='JellyKnees' timestamp='1365686827' post='2042902'] Yes. They are just different forms of modern music which basically share the same roots. I'm not experienced in the classical musical world, but I would imagine that a good classical musician would be capable of playing pretty much anything by any composer from any period and make a good job of it. Why should 'we' be any different? [/quote] Exactly. You have to be obsessed with music. You can't be obsessed with bass and expect to be a funky or rocky or dubby bassist, unless that obsession is with the EFFECT the bass has on the music as part of the ensemble. An obsession with an instrument in isolation is a sure path to mediocrity and utter boredom.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1365686501' post='2042894'] Agree..sort of.. And I think funk takes that sort of commitment.... which is why most rock players will miss it by a mile..even if they don't want to think that they would. If I had a gig needing hard 8ths dug in.. I'd say, give it to someone else..who can and wants to do it. AC/DC..??? money..?? yes please...!! triple times over, but really, give it to someone else... I don't have what it takes to do that gig.... [/quote] Here's a question. Can you improvise music in your head, bass lines, drums, sounds, whatever, that increases your heart rate and makes you nod your head or move your body, makes you smile, gets you all excited?

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1365685971' post='2042880'] But he isn't N...or not in my opinion. People may think they can make a fist of both...and it comes down to what sort of fist...? To the vast majority of people, if someone said play something funky on the bass...they'd pull off their bestest slap riff.... That is the sort of thing you are up against. Somethings have a funk tone or element, somethings have funk through and through. World of cheese..!!! If you put a world class funk player into Maiden or a metal band... I doubt they'd get the gig even on playing ability alone. That is why the OP is valid..IMHO. We are replacing a rock drummer with a funk player. Once we like what he brings to the party, we will decide if the direction that takes us to is where we want to go... It wont be because he can't play... as he is likely in a different league anyway...it will be because we can bend to what he brings. But then we don't inhabit a strict genre..we know we will miss the rock-out, maybe.. but should gain some serious funk chops. [/quote] I honestly think a person who feels music very deeply can do anything their passions dictate as long as they have some natural musical ability, are competent players, and live and breathe music. I'm pretty obsessed with many forms of popular music and I think I can carry off rock and funk and that I'm developing a personal voice in the bands I'm in. But I know a good few capable amateurs who are not really obsessed, they are not musical sponges, and it shows in their lack of musical expression when they play. And often can't tell what they lack.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1365684910' post='2042852'] I think I can play and groove well... I've listened to a lot and my technique is pretty sound..all in my opinion. I think I know where I stand in the grand scheme of things...or certainly at the level I operate. I can't play reggae to save my life.. but surely, I should be able to if I am a capable bassist....??? The trick is to know where you come up short...so I leave reggae well alone. [/quote] Good post, and the point is that if you want to play any sort of music well you need to breathe it. Reggae is easily possible but you have to REALLY love it and REALLY feel it. It helps if you want to dance when you hear it. When I put music on that I really like, I can't help but want to move and dance and rock the f*** out. Ask Low End Bee Seriously, there are 'rock' bands that you see on stage looking more like Stonehenge (and not in a heavy way). These people can not rock out because they are not being made to move by what they are playing. Plenty of funk players who do the same, if I see a funk player sitting down they can f*** off most of the time, same with drummers wearing woolly jumpers, they ain't working hard enough Seriously, if I put Deftones on I feel like going mad, I feel the energy so viscerally, same with a lot of Beyoncé stuff, Single Ladies for example, I just want to dance. Reggae and dub REALLY makes me want to move. If you don't feel that way there is no hope.

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1365683605' post='2042806'] I don't I understood it. I reckon guitar strings should last a good few months, especially if you are just a home player, like me. I can hear the difference in guitar strings. Admittedly, it's not as noticeable a difference as bass, but it is a difference. My school also used to buy incredibly horrible cheap strings which were just the epitome of awful. [/quote] Oh ok, it looked like you thought he was talking bass strings don't matter

[quote name='hamfist' timestamp='1365682514' post='2042775'] Interesting how a thread comparing the contrasting skills needed to "groove" in funk and/or rock has turned into a social comment on stereotyping and pigeonholing. I suspect some folks have just not quite got the original point (or possibly, more likely, not read the whole thread). So, for those who advocate that we all live happily ever after, pushing ourselves upwards and onwards into musical excellence in all styles and genres, becoming that, much worshiped, "well-rounded bassist" (I've always felt this was more of a waistline comment). Are you suggesting that there is no difference in the brain-skills and inherent talent needed to excel in either the funk or rock genres ? Clearly there is some sort of differentiation between the two and, yes, it will be inherently a little difficult to define exact boundaries but I think 99% of us actually understand and can recognise the difference between a stereotypical funk riff and a stereotypical rock riff. My hypothesis, and my personal experience, is that those who naturally excel in one will struggle a bit with the other and that masters of both are the rarest of rare things. Are there really so few people who have found this too ? [/quote] I honestly think you don't really want to accept that people think you are wrong. Your post above is contradictory, you are also stereotyping. Masters of anything are rare.

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1365683001' post='2042793'] I very much disagree. Strings make a big difference, at least as much as an amp does, and more than the pickups do. I've used rotosound rotos on my basses before, and I wasn't pleased. They are OK to begin with, but they die a death after about a month. I don't gig, and I only play a few hours a week, so why is a set of strings going dead in a month? The only thing which led me to buying more was the price, and the fact that I couldn't afford more expensive ones, which is obviously a false economy. I never use them anymore, and I've heard a couple other people having bad experiences with them too. Maybe their more expensive strings are better, but even a £14 set of strings should last more than a month, am I not right? I won't buy cheap strings. I just won't. It's a false economy, i've done it, I wasn't pleased, and I won't be doing it again. [/quote] You need to read Dave's post again mate

[quote name='spacey' timestamp='1365680913' post='2042736'] I like to hear the tone of a bass guitar on recordings, any tone, I have heard no end of warm compressed organ pedal type bass sounds on recent recordings, giving little reason to use a bass guitar at all, why not just use the keyboard ? The bass guitar is an instrument of wide tone, it can clank, buzz, clink, scoop or smooth. The art of recording the bass is a long forgotton art. Lazy studios use DI and software emulaters and leave the bass sounding like a set of organ pedals. High End Studios once upon a time would have a Bass booth where Tin sheets were on the walls and a Mic in the booth, this would be mixed with a DI signal for low end harmonics, the results were those famous bass tones of yesteryear that set players apart. Tones were as important as technic is setting carears, each player had a unique way of getting the tone to recording. Those skills are lost, one bass player sounds just like the last and the one before that, warm muddy dull compressed strangeled tones of what are rich and diverse instruments. To hear a new recording where you can jump and and say that is a bass guitar, it is a breath of fresh air in todays lazy recording sounds. My ten pence ! [/quote] Blimey mate. No offence meant, but it's posts like this that makes me realise I have a very open mind. The goal is to make music, not a technical exposé on how to record instruments in musical format. I also think that your olde worlde recording methods are limited to an old geezer with an old bass and an old amp, one tone, one approach, one option, James Jamerson for example. Popular music is so much more complex now. I could be using five different tones with different effects and envelopes in one song. You would hate the way I get my sounds and how I record. But I would like to think the music speaks for itself. I wonder what you think of this as a bass tone? I'm intereted to know [url="http://kitrichardson.bandcamp.com/track/you-always-did"]http://kitrichardson.bandcamp.com/track/you-always-did[/url]

[quote name='Wil' timestamp='1365679226' post='2042700'] They don't sound quite like any steel strings I've tried. I've been using them for years now so hard to directly compare, all I can say is they sound so good I've never been tempted away from them. I was hopping between brands all the time before. [/quote] I'll give them a try mate, I've just read some reviews and they sound good. Thank you! I have to say that I am very very fussy about bass strings (tone, reliability, quality, consistency, compliance, etc) but not so for guitar - only durability and reliability. I'll order some OGs mate and see.

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1365679136' post='2042697'] OK, I accept your point. What I am getting at is, people dissing ( not yourself, I am talking generally) other people's tone, just for the sake of it. [/quote] It's not for the sake of it, they are expressing opinions and it's interesting to see trends emerge, such as massive Geddy fans disliking his bass sounds. It's interesting.

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1365678690' post='2042686'] My point is that it is a futile discussion. Someone has a certain tone, you either like it or you dont. [/quote] But surely the object is to learn from this. Rarely are discussions futile. For example I am now interested to try Optima Gold strings on my Strat.

[quote name='Wil' timestamp='1365678413' post='2042679'] I use 11-52 on my Strat. I can tolerate 10-46s but they feel a bit too loose to me and anything lower than that and I'm convinced you lose some body in the sound, although I'm sure nothing some EQ couldnt sort. I've tried D'Addarios, Elixers and Ernie Ball strings but use nothing but Optima golds now, I highly recommend them. Not only do they not set off my nickel allergy, but they last longer than any other non coated strings I've tried. I've been complimented on my tone many times but I like to think it's all in the fingers [/quote] I might try them mate, can you elicidate on the tonal qualities of the Optimas?

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1365677837' post='2042665'] Fair enough, and I agree. However there is nothing we can do about it, if we dont like someone's tone. [/quote] Of course there isn't, but what is your point?