Al Krow

Another +1 for the Zoom B1-4: it will give you a very decent chorus and phaser. The MS60B is also good but, having had both, IMO the B1-4 has a much better user interface, excellent built-in tuner plus headphone amp capability, useful drum machine and to cap it off is cheaper! I don't particularly rate the octave down / up on the Zoom pedals, they are ok but nothing special. Here, I'd recommend a Boss OC-5, which is outstanding and will deliver the classic OC-2 sound on octave down plus additional octave up (either alone or simultaneously - try doing that on a Zoom and you'll get a mush!) If you can get a Valeton OC-10 that's great value on the octave-down front, but they are pretty thin on the ground since they stopped production.

Took my 1001M out for a "proper" spin at band rehearsal last night and a 2 hour gig tonight - first time since getting it a few months back. Had no problems powering my BF BB2 to hold its own with a full 5 piece band. Its core tone is definitely more gritty / "dirtier" than my DG M900. I need to spend a bit more time getting my ideal "base case" EQ settings - I was playing a passive Yamaha BB1025 tonight and maybe a sensible approach is to stick with that "threesome" till I've got the base case nailed. It was feeling a little too full on bass particularly on P or PJ, but even a relatively slight bass cut on the amp and compensating boost to the mids at 450 Hz felt a little boxy. So I'll need to tweak it a bit further to hit the sweet spot and also have a listen from the audience rather than just in the mix with the band. But overall, this is undoubtedly a kick-ass amp! Gig was a lot of fun too - crowd definitely up for letting their hair down on a Friday night!

Ok, first dibs then please!😁

Yeah - likewise, I was tempted by SY1000 and gave up for similar reasons of thought of having to put aside a bass to kit it out with the necessary interface. So the SY-1 is finally getting gigged, result! Be interested in which song you using it on and what settings? That was definitely frustrating on the FI pricing for you. But shame not to use it - in terms of quality of synth tones I think it's still the best bass pedal currently available. And I'm not sure it's too much bigger than the SY-200?

So you have the FI and SY-1 currently? Snap! 🙂

Yup $300 plus VAT & customs would put it at around the £280 mark. I guess transport may be a bit more from Japan --> UK than Japan --> US as well. I look forward to getting a used one off @Woodinblack in 12 months' time and I will finally get round to selling him my Boss SY-1 at that point so he can have a spare...😁

Looks good! Not sure it's new tech though - seems like a repackaged SY-300, which came out around 2015, in a smaller box? The 128 presets, plus the programmability of the SY-300, give it a nice edge over the SY-1. It also has the Boss visual UI which is better than the FI's and a lot better than the current C4. But in terms of core synth tones, if it is a rehashed SY-300 then IMO the FI and C4 will trump it. Assuming it has the poly tracking of the SY-1, that particular feature is awesome.

So definitely worth reading any 6 consecutive pages then... 😄

Darkglass have one as standard on their amps.

...oh and Gav, you're clearly a chap who doesn't suffer from OCD! 😁

@krispn partly agree with you 😉 I will still have the excellent option of the Zoom B1-4 as a standalone micro board together with a Boss WL-20 wireless. Not a pedal guy? Not convinced by that! I've loved trying out LOTs of pedals over past few years. I do agree that they are more likely to be used live by me for original material rather than with my covers bands though. Having got to grips with the B1-4 and created 40+ bespoke patches on that (pretty much all of which are shared on the Zoom B1-4 ideas thread), I do have a bit more headspace for other PC editing but there are several things on that list of which the FI is one and only so many spare hours in a week, eh? The work that @Quatschmacherhas done on the FI PC Editor software is outstanding and has turned the interface from a PITA to something really good and is the key reason I've decided to get another one; being on my gigging mini-board will be a useful nudge...fingers crossed I won't be too far behind your attempts to get up to speed on the SA C4!

Well it is a gigging mini board and the FI is an actual bass synth with hopefully some pretty usable sounds rather than a synth emulator, which is what the FI is, and for gigs having numbered presets that you can scroll through is very helpful (which the SY1 doesn't have). Just like the Zoom B1-4 in that respect. Need to work out how to use the thing now (which took no time at all with the SY-1)...lol!

Well I'd best do this properly then 1. bassfan: OC5 > Proton > VTDI > FI > Zoom B1-4 [3 correct pedals] 2. sumone: OC5 > Proton > Octava > VTDI > Zoom B1-4 [3 correct pedals] 3. gisserD: SY1 > OC5 > Proton > Zoom B1-4 > VTDI [2.5 correct pedals - "half" for SY1 instead of FI] 4. lee650: OC5 > SY1 > YYZ > Proton > Zoom B1-4 [2.5 correct pedals - "half" for SY1 instead of FI] 5. ordep: OC5 > SY1 >FI > Mothership > Zoom B1-4 [2 correct pedals] What I actually went for: FI-->OC5-->Octava-->Proton-->Zoom B1-4 You were close Darren, but sadly no cigar! Ignoring the Zoom B1-4 which wasn't optional, actually @bassfan and @SumOne were the closest with 3/4 correct choices. Paul (aka Bassfan) will be coming over in a couple of weeks to return a piece of kit before the hefty new London car taxes come into force, so I'm sure we will sort this out with beer offsets. But Ben's previously agreed meet up beer got postponed due to hols so half the winnings will gladly go towards a beer or a transfer to his ever expanding pedal fund!

Here you go gents, to save you reading through 18 pages - well actually just 3 pages as it turned out! @ebozzz ended up holding onto the M version. Whilst the T version may be 'warmer' still, personally I don't think the M lacks warmth at all - in fact with the gain pumped it delivers quite a tube-like break up.

Nope, but the person who did posted on that thread

Well, it's gone now to an appreciative new home! 🙂

Hear what you are saying and as I've just been using the Zoom B1-4 as a standalone micro board so far (and will still have that option with my second B1-4), it is indeed currently doing the heavy lifting! Tbf I'm only using fx on half a dozen songs, most work great with simple bass-->amp but it's nice to add a bit extra on occasion whether it be tape echo, chorus or a bit of drive, and I'm sure that is a common approach for many covers players. Speaking of drive, as I've said before, the Octava is fantastic and will definitely be getting used alongside the B7K sim on the Zoom. The Z synth isn't labelled as being a Moog clone or anything else - so it looks like it's just a Zoom effect. The blurb merely states that it "adds analog synth fatness". Which, of course, is a little amusing given that the B1-4 is a digital multifx pedal.

@King Tut - what a great story! Hope you don't mind me reposting the bit about the BV 1001T on here. A mate of mine mentioned that there was a £1,200 used Berg Forte amp in the FS, but with another excellent reminder from you of just what great vfm a new £250 Bugera is I think I will be safely avoiding any expensive GAS on that one!

Just one track so far with synth - I use the Z synth patch on the B1-4 for "Moves like Jagger" which helps fill out our sound out (we don't have keys). It's surprisingly effective with a touch of slap thrown in. I suspect it will be a while before I'm up to speed with the FI and what it can do. Usual cost / benefit of getting to grips with another PC editor vs spending time on other stuff. Yup I'm sure the C4 will be a step up - Helix doesn't excel at filter and synth, as is well known, and no doubt you'll be getting some inspiration from the C4 crowd for that. Personally I'm avoiding the SA pedals until they improve their on-pedal UI and don't need you to buy other kit to properly make use of them, but that's just me.

You'll be toast, making a comment like that

You're right that the official weight of the CN 212 is 46 lbs, but I recall mine being a little heavier - and I suspect they may vary a bit from cab to cab. Good stuff about the personal trainer, Pete! @bassfan if you get a chance to put yours on the scales, mate, be good to get another 'actual' weight taken. Oh and there's a lot of wisdom in sticking to gear that you know works well. If it ain't broke why fix it? Having said that, it's always fun to try something new - particularly if you can get it used and not take too much of a hit if you decide to move it on.

Whereas: "My Fearless F112 isn't going anywhere. I love it." is a flawlessly accurate statement 😁 @peteb if you don't mind the weight of a CN212 which is around 50 lbs, then the Fearless F112 (around 43 lbs) might also be right up your street. Plenty of power handling and a really great cab.

With due respect, the first part of that statement is rubbish isn't it? Last time I heard it was going everywhere ...to ALL your gigs! 😁

I do love Berg cabs they're great! The BF 210 are deliberately coloured / "retro" I believe, so maybe they were not for you?The mainstream BF cabs are much more transparent and I've certainly had zero issues hearing myself with either my former BF SC or the BF BB2 I currently have. I did love my Berg CN 212 and if it had been lighter I'd have held onto it. The Berg 112s don't quite have the power handling I'd be looking for.