Gunsfreddy2003

Guys, Tried the pedals at a rehearsal last night and in line they sound ok but nowhere near as good as they do on the Chunk website where they are hooked up using the Envelope input. When the Y cable gets here from OBBM I can set it up properly and should all work fine! One thing though the Brown Dog seems to be a really "hot" pedal and boosts the signal dramatically which is not so good. Anyone got one of these and can advise how I can reduce the output or alternatively apart from a volume pedal anyone else got any ideas how I can keep the levels at a set volume. I have never had this problem with the EBS pedals they just give you the effect but with no signal boost. [quote name='cheddatom' post='511372' date='Jun 11 2009, 04:24 PM']I really liked my putting my bass balls into my big muff. Also, wah before distortion is the same thing, and that's pretty standard. I really like it the other way round too, but as this guy has the IQ and the Agent 00 he may aswell have both options.[/quote]

The guy at Chunk Systems strongly advised against putting a filter before the fuzz - don't know why though! [quote name='cheddatom' post='510891' date='Jun 11 2009, 09:27 AM']I thought the chain you described before: Bass to EBS Octabass to Brown Dog to Agent 00 Funk to EBS Bass IQ to EBS Multi Comp to EBS Uni Chorus!! Is a good starting point. I would put the IQ before the Brown Dog though.[/quote]

OBBM is a true gent and has offered to send me a Y cable to try and see if it all works. This forum is fantastic - thanks guys! [quote name='Gunsfreddy2003' post='510884' date='Jun 11 2009, 09:15 AM']Dannybuoy - very kind of you to produce a diagram and I particularly like the Bass illustration! I think that I might opt for a custom made Y cable from OBBM as in my mind it will look a bit neater - I am sure that this will work fine. Just need to figure out where to put the Chunk pedals into my existing EBS set up now!![/quote]

Dannybuoy - very kind of you to produce a diagram and I particularly like the Bass illustration! I think that I might opt for a custom made Y cable from OBBM as in my mind it will look a bit neater - I am sure that this will work fine. Just need to figure out where to put the Chunk pedals into my existing EBS set up now!! [quote name='dannybuoy' post='510844' date='Jun 11 2009, 07:01 AM']Like I said, it might look unintuitive at first, but what you want to do is split the signal before the Brown Dog input and send that to the 00Funk envelope. A jack splitter on the Brown Dog input might look wrong, but remember at the end of the day they are just electrical connections and it makes no difference whether you split the signal a few inches before the input or directly at the input. It's not like the jack splitter only allows signal to flow in one direction. Here's a pic! You can use the splitter earlier in the chain if you have other pedals before the Brown Dog, in which case put the splitter on the input of the first pedal in your chain. Also, if you have a tuner with dual outputs (eg Boss TU-2, Ibanez LU-20) you can use that as your signal splitter which looks much neater.[/quote]

That was exactly my logic - having said that I have not tried it but will do later. Hey if it works then I am a happy bunny that is all I want right now! [quote name='thisnameistaken' post='510829' date='Jun 11 2009, 01:31 AM']OK, well, I've never used a splitter like that, but I figured the plug would have to go into an output, not an input, and the sockets provide the split signal. Isn't that right? I don't see how it would work if you plugged it into the input on the Brown Dog.[/quote]

I have not had time to try this tonight but surely the headphone splitter product will not work as it is just putting two inputs into the brown dog and not one as input and the other as an output socket in the Agent 00 Funk or am I missing something? [quote name='dannybuoy' post='510342' date='Jun 10 2009, 04:27 PM']All you need to do is split your signal before the brown dog and pump that clean bass signal into the envelope input of the 00Funk. Job done. This is what the Brown Dog's envelope out is anyway, only difference is this connection is broken when the pedal is bypassed. Get one of these: Plug it into the Brown Dog input. Put your bass in one of the sockets, and a patch cable to in the other going to the 00Funk envelope input. Ta-Da! I did this with a Wooly Mammoth and WMD Fatman filter (which has an envelope input) with great results. Alternatively you can re-wire the Brown Dog envelope output to be always directly connected to the input socket instead of going via the footswitch.[/quote]

Hey Higgie, Yes but when you turn the fuzz off it cuts the signal completely to the Agent 00Funk! Mark [quote name='Higgie' post='510517' date='Jun 10 2009, 07:05 PM']Couldn't you connect them like normal (brown dog output to 00funk input) and then connect them via the envelope jacks? That way when the fuzz is off your clean bass is still going to the input of the pedal, but when you turn the fuzz on it's connected via envelope in?[/quote]

Funnily enough it was the comments on here that put me off the OS - problems with the firmware and usability etc. I thought that two seperate pedals would be easier. Looks like I was wrong! [quote name='thisnameistaken' post='510307' date='Jun 10 2009, 04:02 PM']I think what TaySte meant was to put the Y cable before the Brown Dog, send one split to the Brown Dog input, and the other to the 00Funk envelope in. Same solution I suggested using an LS-2 really, but much cheaper. I'm always a bit sketchy about using Y-cables, but not for any rational reason. The Chunk Systems Octavius Squeezer. It has the 00Funk and Brown Dog circuits in it, and also a dedicated mixer (amongst other neat features) that makes sure the envelope follower always gets the clean input signal. Beginning would be best, so it gets the (best, cleanest) signal from your guitar and sends it to the envelope in on your 00Funk. But I would try it with a Y-cable first like TaySte suggested. If it works well enough then it'll be much cheaper than the LS-2 solution.[/quote]

Ah Russ, as this was your idea it is bound to be horribly expensive!!! [quote name='EBS_freak' post='510306' date='Jun 10 2009, 04:00 PM']This should sort you out. [url="http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/switchblade_models.htm#GL"]http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/swi...e_models.htm#GL[/url] </unhelpful>[/quote]

And would you? [quote name='cheddatom' post='510323' date='Jun 10 2009, 04:15 PM']people will recommend the custom cable builder OBBM on this site.[/quote]

OK - anyone recommend a good place to buy a Y cable from - never used one before! [quote name='cheddatom' post='510317' date='Jun 10 2009, 04:12 PM']Oh yeah....deeeerrrrr +1[/quote]

You guys are genius's at this - guess you have all done this a few times before? Can you advise how this would fit in with my existing pedal set up - where would I put the LS-2 - at the beginning? Thanks a lot guys! [quote name='thisnameistaken' post='510284' date='Jun 10 2009, 03:42 PM']Easier (still involving an LS-2): Guitar -> LS-2 (always on, set to A+B Mix) LS-2 "A" Send -> Brown Dog input LS-2 "B" Send -> 00Funk envelope in Nothing plugged into the LS-2 output or loop return jacks (you're basically using it as a buffered signal splitter). That way your 00Funk is always receiving an input, regardless of whether your fuzz is on or not, just don't use the envelope out on the fuzz. You could potentially use any fuzz in this setup and get the same results from your filter, but personally I like the Brown Dog circuit.[/quote]

Will this work - really do not want to have to spend more money on an LS-2. Sorry but what does OS mean? Operating System?? [quote name='tayste_2000' post='510293' date='Jun 10 2009, 03:48 PM']Surely just a Y cable will do output of Brown dog into ev and the input? For the money couldn't you have got the OS?[/quote]

Sounds complicated b ut if it works then great - but the LS-2 is another £75 which is a pain! Can you advise what a Y cable is - not heard of that before. Where do I get one from? Also any advise on the crank type jack pedal connectors - good ones and where to get them from? [quote name='cheddatom' post='510257' date='Jun 10 2009, 03:21 PM']OK, get a Y cable, plug the Y end into the envelope input on the agent. Plug A into the envelope output on the fuzz. Plug B into Send B on a Boss LS-2. Plug the fuzz into the LS-2's A loop. Set it to switch between A and B. EDIT: The only problem with this is you might loose some volume when you're on "A" (bypassed fuzz) i'm not sure, but you could bring down the level for loop B to compensate for that.[/quote]

Sounds complicated - to make it worse I have to fit in the loop as follows: Bass to EBS Octabass to Brown Dog to Agent 00 Funk to EBS Bass IQ to EBS Multi Comp to EBS Uni Chorus!! Any help really appreciated! [quote name='cheddatom' post='510246' date='Jun 10 2009, 03:06 PM']Arrrrgh!1 that's not right, it's making my head explode! I will figure this out in a min.[/quote]

No you can't - they say that the reason they did this was that in the first models there was a lot of bleed through coming into other pedals in the chain! Sounds lame to me!! How do I implement your suggestion? [quote name='cheddatom' post='510231' date='Jun 10 2009, 02:56 PM']Can't you get the brown dog to send the envelope output even when bypassed? EDIT: If not, you would have to make a relay to run off the brown dog's bypass to switch a buffered split of your signal into the envelope output. It seems pretty stupid that the envelope output feed doesn't keep running when you turn the fuzz pedal off.[/quote]

Yes exactly right - I just think that they should make this clear somewhere on their website as it is quite a big deal. The guy at Chunk (who TBF was pretty helpful) says that if I want to use the 00Funk this way then I should keep it in the chain and have a regular input from the brown dog but split the signal before it goes to my first pedal in the chain and take a direct input into the envelope input of the Agent Funk. How the hell do you do that??!! Mark [quote name='thisnameistaken' post='510145' date='Jun 10 2009, 01:33 PM']I suppose that's the design you end up with when you shoot for "true bypass". It does seem silly I agree. So I guess the filter just stays closed if there's no signal arriving through the envelope in?[/quote]

Just found out this morning that the money that I have just spent on two brand new Chunk Systems pedals (Agent 00Funk Mark II and Brown Dog) is probably a complete waste! I had been on their website and listened to the sounds from both pedals and then the excellent synth type tones they make when linked together. However whilst on the phone to them in Australia this morning it transpires that if you link both pedals together as shown on their website then you cannot use the Agent 00 Funk Mark II by itself as just an envelope filter! What they have done (as an improvement they tell me) is to make the pedal cut out the signal to the Envelope output when the pedal is bypassed! Great for cutting out unwanted noise but useless if you just want to have a funky envelope filter sound but with no fuzz on it. I bought these pedals (which are not cheap) because together they sound great and I justified it by thinking that I was also getting two pedals that would work well in isolation as all pedals do - this is not the case. I have expressed quite strongly that they should make it clear on their website that this is how the pedals work together as there is no mention of this at the moment and to be honest I feel quite conned! There will be a way of rigging this up but it is not what I thought I was getting or paying for! Thoughts or experiences of this anyone? Mark

Hi Guys, Interesting stuff - I have the current pedals set up as they are because that is the way that EBS recommend them and I have never had a huge amount of time to experiment. Just one question though - I only really use the Multi Comp for slap bass passages in songs and can't see that I would have it on in conjunction with the envelope filter so does it really matter where it goes? Am I missing more fun sounds by only using the Multi Comp by itself? Thanks Mark [quote name='dannybuoy' post='508530' date='Jun 8 2009, 08:36 PM']I wouldn't put the comp before the envelope filters unless you're trying to limit the dynamic range of the filter on purpose. Compressor after filter can help tame the wild resonant peaks and protect your speakers too! Fuzz before filter and fuzz after filter are 2 good sounds to have, so I try putting one filter before the Brown Dog and one after. In fact, the 00Funk and Brown Dog can be linked together with an extra cable so that you can have the Brown Dog going into the Funk, but with your clean signal triggering the filter. This is well worth doing. So how about: OctaBass -> BassIQ -> Brown Dog -> 00Funk -> MultiComp -> UniChorus (with Brown Dog envelope out connected to 00Funk envelope in) If the BassIQ doesn't sound too great before the Brown Dog then you can switch em around. It's also worth trying octave after fuzz, which will give you worse tracking but will generate a clean octave underneath the fuzzy higher register which I think sounds great.[/quote]

Guys, Could do with a bit of advice here - I currently run 4 EBS pedals in this order: Bass to Multi Comp to Octaver to EBS Bass IQ to Chorus which all works fine however I now want to add in two new pedals Chunk Systems Agent 00Funk Mark II and Chunk Systems Brown Dog gated fuzz. Where on earth should I put these in my current chain? Hope someone can help? Thanks Mark

My sax player actually works for 3M so I have tried this product already without success but to be fair this was more due to the frayed carpet rather than the tape. I might try the other tip mentioned and staple more velcro fuzzy side up on to the board or perhaps try a Pedaltrain board as that seems to not have this problem! Thanks Mark [quote name='BurritoBass' post='502514' date='May 31 2009, 07:57 PM']3M Dual Lock is a heavy duty velcro & is readily available on EBay. Give it a try[/quote]

Thanks for the feedback. Have you ever had problems with the pedals coming off the velcro on the board in transit? Mark [quote name='urban Bassman' post='502438' date='May 31 2009, 06:20 PM']I use a pedal train jr and I think that they are really excellent pieces of kit. Very simple no frills, you've got space underneath to fit your power supply and enough space between the metal slats to route power cables and signal chain. Looked at others and felt this was the best for me. Only have a TC Electronics foot controller (for my Rebel 450 Head), a Boss Bass Chorus and an old DOD bass Flanger and a power supply I bought from Maplins - it all fits and goes in the bag the board came in - Easy. No it's not for sale though Hope that helps John[/quote]

Anyone used these and got any feedback good or bad? Also would look to buy the Pedaltrain JR if anyone is looking to shift one on. Thanks Mark

Hi Guys, I have a pedal board by Diagio and every time I get to a gig the pedals have fallen off the floor and everything is in a real mess. It seems that the carpet has frayed and just has too much movement in it. Can anyone recommend a way that I can keep these pedals in place? Really not keen to re-carpet it - anyone else had the same problem with these boards? Thanks Mark