BigBeefChief

[quote name='rslaing' post='498007' date='May 26 2009, 02:26 PM']Dear Clever Dick. I assume you might be relating to me. If you read the post after yours, you might find that the information I have provided has been of help. I have reported you and a list your cronies to the mods - I sincerely hope you all get banned for puerile personal attacks for cheap laughs that have nothing to do with the topic in hand. I assure you, I have not had my ego punctured - it would take a lot more than comments like yours, or the other half baked imbeciles in here that seem hell bent on doing nothing else but trolling and baiting, to make any difference to me. But I still read your posts because they give me an overwhelming sense of gratitude that I am a notch or two higher in the chain of humanity than the culprits I am referring to. I am sure you might be aware that I am not the only one fed up with your antics.............further reminder - the topic is MOST ACCURATE TUNER.[/quote] rslaing my man! I take it I am one of these "half baked imbeciles" you have reported to the mods? The fact that the mods have refrained from reprimanding me would indicate how valid they view your complaint! The fact that you have dished out more insults on this thread than everyone else combined, yet still claim to be the victim of "personal attacks" leaves me scratching my head. You seem a reasonably bright lad, can you not see that although your technical knowledge is useful and interesting, you seem to have the communication skills of the Unabomber? People disagree with you. Doesn't mean they're insulting you! As for your constant claim of being "ON TOPIC", I think the beauty of a web forum is that what starts off as a very niche thread, blossoms into a broader debate based on the OP. For example "what is the most accurate tuner?" - well we can all use google and cut and paste (a skill your SO keen to show off), to narrow it down to 2 tuners within the first post. Should we then close the thread? We've got the answer, shall we just move on? The point is, threads develop. I don't think I'm the only one who questions the need for such accuracy. As highlighted above, its also intersting to find out how others tune their instrument and their perceived need for accuracy. Personally, I have no issue with your posts. You clearly have some of the answers. You don't have all of them. So, try and relax, calm down, stop insulting people and you'll enjoy yourself much more.

[quote name='rslaing' post='496907' date='May 24 2009, 11:01 PM']I got a couple of emails from "supporters" asking me not to concede to the dickheads on here. Which I thought was good advice.[/quote] Firstly, please stay on topic. Secondly, I don't believe you! I like you rslaing, but I'm starting to question your mental well-being. You have a habit of stating your opinions as fact and then accusing those who disagree with you of making "personal attacks". Ironically, whilst doing this, you like to make personal attacks of your own on others, calling them "nasty" and tone deaf. You also like to contradict yourself, accuse others of going "off-topic" when they don't agree with you, and flounce off only to come crawling back. This is the internet, no one ever agrees with each other. If it wasn't for disagreements we wouldn't have web forums. Now I don't know you in "real" life, maybe you surround yourself with people who agree with your oracle-like knowledge about tuning a guitar. I'm sorry that this doesn't extend to BassChat. As for all the [b]typing in bold[/b], please try and calm down and promise me not to climb a bell tower with a high powered rifle. I'll promise to buy an over-priced tuner if you promise not to do a Hungerford.

[quote name='rslaing' post='496896' date='May 24 2009, 10:50 PM']Another "on topic" comment...........[/quote] What happened to "f*** this for a lark"? You love it!

Yep. Still here.

You still here rslaing?

It's not my personal taste, but its an incredible piece of design. Interesting to see how little the bass changed from cardboard cut-out to finished bass. Also, well done to Zoot/Iceni - the build quality looks superb but was build in a fraction of the time that it seems to take other luthiers. I definitely think there's a market for this if it was marketed properly. Those slightly eccentric Europeans would love it.

[quote name='Greene-Mann' post='496698' date='May 24 2009, 05:21 PM']This thread was actually answered at the top of the 2nd page The rest has been just bigging up Petersons; even though the SR Turbo Tuner is better![/quote] How comes I always end up "finishing myself off" over the Peterson website then?

[quote name='Greene-Mann' post='496676' date='May 24 2009, 04:54 PM']Any strobe tuner is going to give superior tuning to a more traditional style tuner. They're however expensive and that sheer accuracy of tuning wont be heard by most. dont mean too much harm by this; but has rslaing got petersons website set as his homepage; or tucked away in a "special" folder so the mrs cant see haha![/quote] Specially incrypted folder I reckon. Rslaing's a known peterfile.

What's wrong with good old fashioned guess work?

[quote name='dlloyd' post='496564' date='May 24 2009, 12:33 PM']Orchestral music doesn't operate anywhere near 0.1 cent tuning precision/accuracy. Petersen strobostomps are certainly the most precise pedal tuners out there. They look great, are easy to use and I'd certainly prefer to use one for setting intonation on a fretted instrument. I'd choose one over a TU-2 any day, if I had the cash to spare. However, that level of precision is overkill for most practical musical situations, regardless of the marketing hype on Petersen's website. Your ears simply aren't sensitive to that level of precision. A tempered perfect fourth is inherently 2 cents out of tune, but we don't find string dependent levels of discomfort between the upper partials that Petersen are suggesting we would. In any case, how accurate is fret placement, even on top end guitars? For the high A example Petersen give, you'd need a fret placement accuracy of around 10 micrometers... is that even possible?[/quote] But rslaing can hear it. We know so because he says so.

Hopefully they'll be "dialling-in" a "passable Nate Watts impersonation".

[quote name='Platypus' post='496422' date='May 23 2009, 11:35 PM']Bass Guitar Magazine have had the LG5 for review and that should be in the the next edition.[/quote] Great! I'll look forward to a world-class review.

Get your missus to build it.

I didn't misquote you rslaing. I asked: [i]"What did bass players do before these 200 quid tuners? Do all those early recordings make your ears bleed?"[/i] ..and you responded. [i]"Yes they do make my ears bleed, which is why I don't listen to them. "[/i] But that's beside the point. Given we seem to have vastly different tastes in music, I'm not surprised we disaagree on this. Its a shame you can't disagree with me without feeling the need to call me a troll. But again, I still love you man. Maybe I just don't think that music is the serious business that you do? You're an interesting character rslaing. On one had you accuse others of being musical dinosaurs, but you're also prepared to dismiss an entire genre of music in punk. I have dismissed Jazz as an entire genre, but then I'm a self confessed opinionated w***er! As for your ability to discern how an instrument was tuned by ear, I'm impressed. I question how many non-musos can. I remember reading a post on here where someone tuned half a step down for an entire covers gig (where the rest of the band in statndard tuning) and not one punter noticed!

[quote name='rslaing' post='495895' date='May 23 2009, 11:08 AM']You are welcome. And thanks for the totally expected response that has contributed magnificently to the topic. And to cordially respond to your points. I do listen to music pre-1997, some of the material I like was recorded in the 1930's. I prefer classical stuff which if the orchestra adopted your theories, would make things very interesting. [i]"What did bass players do before these 200 quid tuners? Do all those early recordings make your ears bleed?"[/i] Yes they do make my ears bleed, which is why I don't listen to them. And your question regarding what bass players did before great tuners were invented? If you bothered to read my boring posts that you attempted to ridicule, you would see that I made the point that strobe tuners are not that much help unless the whole band uses them. The main purpose for them IMO is to be used on setting up an instrument so that it plays and sounds as good as it possibly can. I agree, if your description above is the type of "music" you enjoy, that precision tuning is not important. But the again, you don't agree with most of what anyone says on here unless it appears, it is with the intent to ridicule or belittle. I don't have a problem with that, keep on trolling...................it's amusing.[/quote] I agree with lots of people on here. I'd just rather question marketing literature than take it at face value. It's unfortunate (for you) that you don't enjoy any non-orchestral music prior to the invention of overpriced tuners. There's some pretty good stuff out there. What is the point of tuning an instrument to such a precise degree that the second you step into the next (warmer) room or start playing anything, the tuning changes anyway? I suppose prior to playing you can claim to have the most scientifically in-tune instrument in your post code (if that's your thing)? This is not a facetious question, but do you think you could tell the difference in a band situation? Maybe you can, I believe the majority couldn't. Maybe you couldn't? As for the ridiculing, belittling and trolling thing, I won't have a go at you for the accusation as I know you don't mean it. I could accuse you of making a personal attack (which I know is something you hate), but again, I know it's in jest, so I still love you as a bass playing brother.

[quote name='synaesthesia' post='495890' date='May 23 2009, 11:01 AM']a tuning fork or pitch pipe will do can also provide the same reference point.[/quote] ahh, but there's less profit in those.

[quote name='rslaing' post='495771' date='May 23 2009, 07:30 AM']Despair now quickly setting in, and time to leave the thread before it degenerates in to the normal b.b.c rationalised totally logical debate (not). On the premise of "It's a f***ing tuner!" and no one notices if you are not in tune, especially if it is a bass - let's all get rid of all of our gear, and play tea-chests with broom handles and a bit of string. FFS - I have seen some deliberately provocative comments from "people" in here, but that one is the best.[/quote] I haven't read your posts after this one as they look pretty boring, but my point is you're playing a bass (probably) made of wood, in a hot room, your left hand and arm is putting weight on the neck, you've got a noisy drummer, sh*t PA, 2 guitarists who are using different/cheaper/better tuners, and your banging your headstock against the drummers crash. No doubt a 200quid tuner is scientifically more precise, but these other factors negate the difference. What did bass players do before these 200 quid tuners? Do all those early recordings make your ears bleed? Can you not listen to anything prior to 1997? Your comment about my "premise" and playing tea chest basses would indicate that you're the one with the inability to have a "rationalised totally logical debate". I could set my watch to an atomic clock. Very accurate. Would it make a blind bit of difference in real life? Would it f***. Thanks.

It's a f***ing tuner! Pay a tenner max. No one notices when you're playing live. Guitars maybe, bass never.

[quote name='Spoombung' post='495381' date='May 22 2009, 05:05 PM']As for your guilty pleasures, learn to love the forbidden fruit, my friend![/quote] I was told that by a "Theatre type" in a porno cinema once.

[quote name='EBS_freak' post='495201' date='May 22 2009, 02:28 PM']What happened to the bassist from Busted (and the drummer for that matter - he was a shy fellow) - not that I [i]actually[/i] give a ***t.[/quote] Apparently he was "Busted" during Operation Ore! Ho ho!

[quote name='AM1' post='495133' date='May 22 2009, 01:15 PM']Between constantly crapping yourself and slagging off Warwicks, can you tell me how it is possible to stand totally still while playing bass! Are you one of those bored looking, "what am I getting for tea" bass players [/quote] It's pretty complicated. It involves standing still and......actually... that's about it. The most you get from me is a slight sway of the headstock. Only slight mind, I'm not in Busted.

[quote name='AM1' post='495122' date='May 22 2009, 01:05 PM']You're a catch alright![/quote] Like an STD.

[quote name='cheddatom' post='495011' date='May 22 2009, 11:37 AM']I sh*t myself at school and it traumatised me for life![/quote] I did it in a night club. And the pub. And walking home from a nightclub. Never sober mind.

I reckon the Europeans would love that.