JohnFitzgerald

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1324006316' post='1469756'] It's both, as are all speakers, depending on frequency and how far away the listening position is. Practically speaking all electric bass cabs should be considered point sources, save maybe a pair of 810s stacked vertically. [/quote] A pair of 8 x 10s stacked vertically.... Now there's a thought to dwell on. Provided you don't have to move it.

So, I said to SWMBO earlier. "You might want to go out for a bit, I want to try these little cabs to see how much noise they make and whether it's any good." So, she did. Stacked up, like in the pic, I fired it up at the same level as usual. Pre just on clipping on the Trace, post on 2.0 Certainly didn't produce as much bottom end as the 410tx, not that it should. Half the drivers, less than half the cab size. usable sound ? Too right it is !! If I might be churlish enough to criticise the Peavey 410, it's got a bit of a hole in the nice audible bit of the mid range. Plenty of the top and bottom, but a tad lacking in the mid honk that I love - the bit of the spectrum that pokes out above the bass drum and below the guitars. These little £20 boxes address that issue quite nicely. I'm going to try this hooked up to the PA and see how I get on. Wouldn't fancy going out with them and no PA support, but they might just be enough for me with the PA doing the real work. Might be just the job for my aching bones not having to lift that Peavey cab any more, rich sounding as it is. I'll be sure to tell you all about it when the inevitable happens and it all goes 'orribly wrong.

I don't think the Ampeg will begin to be a replacement for your Trace. Completely different sound IMHO. I'd be looking out a used Trace head. My AH150 (immaculate) cost me £79.99, delivered. Why have anything else ?

Alex We're very much a band that likes to keep backline levels sane and let the PA do the heavy lifting. That's why I don't need monster sound levels. As I said previously, my amp on 1.5 - 2 through the Peavey moves all the air I would want. I would hope that means I've got a fair bit of headroom there. Using your yardstick above, it seems that I may have somewhere between 4-6dB of headroom. Must go and look at the wieght of the Barefaced cabs again.

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1320081058' post='1422068'] Probably two of the cheapest basses in the thread but i love 'em. My two Squier's, now upgraded and im very pleased with how they turned out. The Jazz is pretty much stock other than Wizard 74's and a Gotoh 201 bridge, the P only has the body remaining from the original CV, it now has a Lakland JO neck, Fender 62 Original (RI) pup, Gotoh 201 bridge and new pots and wiring. Not on the couch but leaning against it, i hope that counts. [url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/davebass5/6293947289/"][/url] [url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/davebass5/6293947289/"]Squiers.[/url] by [url="http://www.flickr.com/people/davebass5/"]dave_bass5[/url], on Flickr [url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/davebass5/6293947289/"]Squiers.[/url] by [url="http://www.flickr.com/people/davebass5/"]dave_bass5[/url], on Flickr [/quote] 'Mon the Squiers !!

Here's a little question regarding watts. I see Alex recommending plenty of Watts to work with the Barefaced cabs. Unfortunately, my Trace is an AH150, which is 150 watts. I'm not going down the road of what is a watt, depending on who makes it. All I'll say is that they seem to be fairly healthy with this one. My main beef with my current Peavey 410 is monster weight. With the Trace pre amp gain set just so, I need between 1.5 and 2.0 on master to give me the stage volume I want. How would this work out with a Barefaced ? I won't pretend I understand, but am more than willing to move with the times and not have to move a monster weight cabinet any more. Would my 150 Watt Trace elliot (which I love to bits) do the job with a barefaced cabinet ?

At least, that's what I think it's called. I always get that bit wrong. Tis my pride and joy. [attachment=95033:101220111016.jpg]

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1323463499' post='1463768'] And if the PA breaks down? [/quote] The whole band's screwed. Roland TD12 drums. How many precautions can you realistically take ? I did take the precaution of moving form active speakers to power amps. I wouldn't like to think that they'll all go down at the same time. Mixer completely dying ? Who can allow for that ? Honestly, I don't think I've ever had a bass fail on me, or an amp for that matter. I know it could happen some day, but where do you draw the line ? I do see the point in a spare bass on a stand. Absolutely, but I'm afraid I don't see me going any further than that.

You all use the wrong shops, clearly. If I bought something out of my local place and really hated something about it, it would be back like a shot. And that wouldn't be a problem. That's how we work. He's not the cheapest, but you don't get that sort of service with mail order. I'm just as likely to take one out on loan and either not buy it or buy it if I like it. I very nearly thought about doing a trade with someone locally for a bass of pretty similar value to my Jazz. Just to try something new. He contacted me last night to say he'd taken cold feet and didn't want to go ahead. I have to say, I wasn't dissapointed about this. I'd just polished the bass up, plugged it into the Trace Head and it sounded ace. I didn't want it to go. I've had it 5 years now and there still isn't a mark on it. I got rid of a Fender and kept the Squier because I preferred it. Sorry, no complaints here. This beautiful bass is a privilege to own.

Having a wee browse on Gumtree last night, as you do, I saw an advert. Pair of Laney 1x10 + Piezo PA cabs in beautiful condition. Guy lived local. Wanted £20 for the pair of cabs. I had no need for them, but £20 hardly buys you a set of strings these days. Quick email confirming if they're still for sale, I'll have them. This morning, back comes the email, yep still for sale, come and get them. I did. Brought them home tonight, stacked them up and sat the AH150 on top, plugges it in and switched it on. Light bulb moment. "Here, this might just work." Broke out the old jazz, turned it up and. "Ooh, nice". Dinky little microstack for home. Pleased. £20 ? I'll take it :-) Apologies for the (very) crappy photography. [attachment=95000:101728303.jpg] [attachment=95002:091220111004.jpg]

Never had a spare bass with me. When I was a guitarist for a few years, my mate and I used to bring a spare between us for the odd string breakage. On the odd occasion I've broken a string on a bass, I've continued playing with one hand and laced a new one in with the other hand. It's fair to say that I wasn't being a virtuoso at this point, but it's perfectly possible to hold down the bottom end with one hand. Stay on the meaty strings and the sound stays nice and fat. I've never ever had a bass break on me. Regarding having spare amps, sorry not going to happen. We have a 2.4kw Logic PA. If my amp lies down, I'll be plugged right into my bass channel of that quicker than you can blink. I've never ever let the paying punter or customer down and don't see me doing so either. If it helps, most of the guys I've played with over the years haven't brought spare guitars or amps either. I've never been in a band that let the audience down through a breakage.

If I'm not mistaken, this or a very similar one was in Sound Control in Glasgow some years ago.

Jaco Stanley Clark Mark King Johnny Brady - Local Guy, phenomenal player Derek Forbes - Simple Minds

Live at The Quick. (Clips of which you will find on youtube and the whole thing on Spotify.) Fabulous.

I don't think it's just me, I reckon we all have a certain taste that we tend to stick with and other things we just woudn't touch. As I seem to rattle on about all the time, my main bass right now is the Squier Jazz V deluxe active in sunburst. Being a Jaco fan of long standing, a fretless in the same vibe holds a certain attraction for me right now. Here's the existing and the proposed. I'm a bit samey, am I not ?

If it helps,, your suggestion for your backup is my main bass whilst I rebuild the Yamaha. I love it to bits. Had it, I think, 6 years now and to me it's fantastic. Actually, I might be talking b0077ocks. Mine is a Jazz five string deluxe active, I think. Whatever, they're the same money and worth £282 any day of the week. It's why I struggle to see much more value in any bass.

Sometimes what you need to do to cut thorugh can be quite counter intuitive. I'm a both pickups panned equal to centre sortova dude. Volume maxed, EQ flat. This is on a Jazz five string active. When forced to use an Ashdown ABM the other night, I found that I was forced to cut the bottom end quite substantially and wind on a good bit of bass to find my sound. Fat bottom end, prominent upper mid to slot in above the bass drum but unde the two guitars. If you listen to everyone else and identify where the gap is, that's where you'll want to be. To me, it's about finding space in the spectrum and also in the timing. It's amoazing how good your sound is when you're not jostling for position in any of these areas.

If it helps with values, CC Music in Glasgow recently sold a Mark King for £999. Depressingly, the bloke who walked in off the street and sold it to them over the counter got £400 for it.

3TS :-)

I should really add, this was through an ABM600 and an ABM 6x10. I'm really not a fan of this setup. Far far too much thud, not enough voice for my liking. I eventually had to roll lots of bass off and dial in a fair amount of mid to end up with a sound which wasn't just subsonic rumble. Once I was happy getting my Jazz sound, I plgged the P in. Instant rocky clank, but just not enough decent middly voice for me. Guess, I'm just a Jaco fan. Will go and listen to more Bobby Vega on a P and take it from there.

If I'm honest, a fretless Jazz VM would be my purchase of choice. It would sit so well with the 5 string, in the same colour. I was just thinking of a P because it feels like I should.

It's been donkey's years since I played a precision bass. Maybe 25 years. Back then, my views on sound weren't perhaps as formed as they are now. I had an original Squier Precision for a bit and then moved on to other things. Recently, I thought I should maybe try out a P bass to see how we got on. The main band these days is pretty straightdorward Rocky stuff, where I suppose a Precision fits right in. So I tried one the other night. Compared to the 5 string jazz, the neck was obviously much easier to get on with, but lamost uncomfortably narrow. Shows how used to the 5 string neck. Sound ? Yeah, I guess it really does do more than one sound. Plucking position, tone control, fingers, plec, all of these help to vary the sound. Always big and fat though. The one thing I really did miss though was the bridge pickup of the jazz. For the vast majority of things, I'm likely to have both jazz pickups full on. That to me is the perfect sound. Lovely bottom end, but cracking upper mid voice from the bridge pickup. The P just being single pickup, I just couldn't get that. Plenty bottom, plenty top too, if you want. But upper mid ? Not so much for my taste. I just miss it so much. I'm not discounting it yet, but if a good old fashioned P bass is to be my rock n roll bass of choice, I think I have a way to go in terms of what I expect out of the sound. It ain't a Jazz, that's for sure. Thank God for variety. Edit to add. This was the bass. Alister the co-owner of the rehearsal rooms we use plays in a Floyd tribute band and was kind enough to give me a go on his. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfeYHnoeDKw&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfeYHnoeDKw&feature=related[/url]

[quote name='Soliloquy' timestamp='1322501946' post='1451669'] One thing I'd never do is take another gig because it was paying more money though. [/quote] Too try. If you've committed to do something with some people, you must honour that commitment IMHO.