Robert Manning

haha, i have the waves plugins i got from a torrent! ha

Get a saffire 6, two brilliant mic pre's. same as whats used in the expensive stuff.

[quote name='famstd' post='1235130' date='May 18 2011, 02:02 AM']A lot of nice basses out there. In 42+ years I played a few, but I always came back to and liked the Fender Am. Std. Jazz the most. The End. [/quote] i have that exact same bass.. its the best.

[quote name='Prime_BASS' post='1234170' date='May 17 2011, 12:26 PM']The thunderbird doesn't neck dive? I remember at the Notts bass bash I played some wood and tronics basses and they were great, they played pretty amazing and sounded as if the engineers had designed them to sound as best as a bass can sound. Some would say like a piano. But its got very little character and im sure in a mix you wouldnt be able to say "hmm sounds like a wood and tronics" It's for this I prefer stingrays, the characterful sound is very distinguishable in a mix.[/quote] ah, im playing my thunderbird now.. it actually has no neck dive sitting down. its a usa 1994 i think.. its so much thunn to play.

[quote name='chris_b' post='1234099' date='May 17 2011, 11:19 AM']Just a view but, looking at your gear, the Stingray is the only bass I'd keep![/quote] how freaky i just phoned up UCAS confirming a place at Kingston upon Thames uni! haha.

Curiosity i setting in now! Might but a post on the for sale section seeing if anyone wants to swap for my stingray!

[quote name='Doddy' post='1234081' date='May 17 2011, 11:05 AM']But then,Janek uses a Precision for a lot of gigs. Having a fancy modern bass won't make you a better player-it may inspire you but it won't,by itself,improve your playing. Look at someone like Jeff Berlin.OK,some people don't like his music but you can't argue about his technical facility on the instrument. He uses a pretty basic and relatively inexpensive Dean bass with passive electronics-he wouldn't be any better,technically,on a Fodera.[/quote] true true... i was also thinking.. i don't own any basses that don't neck dive!

[quote name='BigRedX' post='1234057' date='May 17 2011, 10:44 AM']It entirely depends what you want out of the instruments you play. IMO an instrument has to do 3 things: look good, produce sounds that are appropriate to the music you are playing, and allow you to play what you want with the least amount of restrictions (so the limiting factor is your technical ability not the instrument design). If the instruments you have a tick all those boxes then perhaps you don't need to look any further... ... Except the music that was made possible by those "classic" guitars and basses from the 50s and 60s was forward looking. Those musicians took what what was already an innovative concept and pushed it even further creating sounds and ways of playing that the designers at Fender, Gibson and Rickenbacker had never even considered. Why shouldn't we as musicians and performers still be pushing forward against those boundaries today? Just as the early electric guitars and basses built on what had gone before combining traditional luthiery with more modern electronics, the designs that have come since carry this on, each modern luthier/manufacturer taking what they consider to be good from the past and improving what they consider needs improving. There are unfortunately a lot of very bland and unimaginative modern basses, but there are also very many that are just as radical when compared with their contemporaries as the basses of Fender Gibson and Rickenbacker were back in the 50s and 60s. There's also the myth that the original basses of the 50s and 60s (especially the Fender P) fit effortlessly into the mix. However if you listen to 50s rock n roll where music was on the cusp of moving from the upright bass to the electric bass, you'll notice that the overall sounds and arrangements changed as the bass part moved from one instrument to the other. The Fender bass didn't simply slot into the space left by the upright bass but forced the overall sound to change to accommodate it. And now we've had 50+ years to get used to that "new" sound and how the other instruments should sound to fit around it. I think also the musicians of the 60s and 70s who had embraced these new instruments and the music that they made possible would be disappointed by some the attitudes displayed by "rock" musicians today. They were the originators, working outside of the mainstream - rebel artists and most definitely not part of the establishment. While today there are still "rock" musicians with that forwards looking pioneering attitude they are very much in the minority. Back in the 70s when I was getting into "rock" music anyone who had a liking for music made 50 years earlier was either making some kind of ironic statement or in the words of the day 'completely square'! Back to the main point of the OP. You state that you like the basses of Fender, Gibson and Rickenbacker who each produced very different looking sounding and playing instruments. If your tastes are versatile to encompass all of these then there is really no reason why there shouldn't be more modern designs that appeal to you too and by that I mean brand new designs, not just the ones that have made small incremental improvements to the "classics". Get out there and play everything you can get your hands on. The only things that matter are whether you like how it looks and sounds and that the instrument doesn't compromise your playing style.[/quote] thanks guys! wise words there. ive taken note... Im going to tray and find some new designs out there, are there any places in the south of england sporting these type of models? i was looking in bass mag, i saw a GUS on the front cover... i like that

[quote name='Lozz196' post='1234041' date='May 17 2011, 10:29 AM']I think as well here, is that, if for example you love the sound of a Precision, playing any bass that doesn`t sound like one, new or old, may put you off - it did me, when I tried a Jazz, great bass, but just didn`t sound right. So trying a modern bass that has Precision tone-qualities/ability - well that may be how you can decide on this.[/quote] That's a good point! Our ears do become accustomed to sounds and make friends. Any thing different you subcoubsionly dislike. Rob.

What inspired to make this post: i was practising a solo for my grade 8 piece. i was thinking of the players like ganek,wooten, etc. and there modern crafted basses. do the advances in technology alow you to play for longer with ease, i ask myself. my problem is.. there are very few modern instruments that appeal to me in terms of looks. and always feel you cant pin down a distinct voice from something like those bases. but i'm very serious on becoming the best bass player i can be. any recommendations out there of modern basses that have a bit of a unique tone to them? and thanks for the feedback guys! rob

Hello everyone. I've been using old fashion designs like fender/rickenbacker/Gibson. I use this stuff because of the look, and stigma each design has with it. And a precision with one sound I think is so versatile anyway, as the sound compliments many styles of music. But, I'm wondering... What am I missing? Will owning an overwater or something make my playing any better (easier) ? What are the advantages?

My personal rule of thumb (que controversy) The following things make your instrument uncool. •Anything that is 'based' on an original design of something before is instantly UNCOOL! (ei a fender jazz clone, doesn't matter if the best luthier made it in the world its still an imitation yeah?) •Anything that is small and ergonomically designed, for example any ibanez, most modern boring things. •Anything with more than 4 strings. •Anything with stickers on it. •Signature models: why do some people spend countless hours and money trying to become Jaco or Marcus Miller, when you could be out doing your thing?! Sorry everyone

[quote name='deanbean502' post='1232040' date='May 15 2011, 02:52 PM']Guys your input is needed Im looking for a short scale bass and i am torn between a Fender Mustang and the Gibson SG of which Im yet to play I did play the mustang and although i liked i found the neck got a little sticky after a while. I have looked at the Gibson and found they have two models, one with dot markers and the other with pearl inlays am i right in thinking the only difference between the two is the fret markers? Im just after other peoples view and opinions really, have you ever owned either? let me know what you think[/quote] The SG basses are very cool, fun to play. but will put you in a mind set as to the genre of music. you'll be more inclined to want to rock out or go old school dub sort of sound. gibson make great quality stuff though

hey man

[quote name='waynepunkdude' post='1227347' date='May 11 2011, 11:47 AM'][/quote] Yes!

[quote name='Dave Vader' post='1228438' date='May 12 2011, 09:05 AM']Is that the big sidewinder/mudbucker one? Might be interested in having them off you once you've managed to source replacements *likes crappy sounds*[/quote] yeah thats right, only the one though, i'll send it your way when i manage to get hold of a normal TBpickup

[quote name='BigRedX' post='1228206' date='May 11 2011, 10:57 PM']Those eBay pickups are the modern Thunderbird pickups. Are those the ones you want?[/quote] my thunderbird is a 1996, so yeah i think that would be the newest ones? at the moment, is has a crappy SG style hb!

260771411942 250807357152 Do you reckon there genuine gibson pickups? and thanks guys!, ive sighned up for that forum! waiting for my discussion forum the admin! thanks guys!