LukeFRC

See - this is what’s nice around here… every so often we get a thread where people passionately throwing around misunderstood “facts” go away … and we get to learn from experts like @agedhorse and @Bill Fitzmaurice

That's true metric brightness rather than your old fashioned imperial brightness

Here’s a question that might make me look like an idiot… I’ve used a few compressor pedals before and in build compressors in amps, (Tecamp puma 1000 and Hughes Kettner QT600 come to mind) I even have used the compressors on a zoom b3 and B3n successfully… so I know a little light compression does things I really like … but… hx stomp I’ve had less joy dialling in a basic starting point that works - apart from the LA studio comp that I can sometimes get sounding ok… now the problem is all me- lack of ear skills, lack of metering meaning lack of confidence … it’s the thread hold I find hardest to set - and not knowing the ideal x-over freq on the 3 band… and the Rochester so any tips of how to work it out - or any suggested starting places settings for bass settings - esp on the 3 band?

And @Al Krow has gone quiet too come to think of it has anyone ever seen them both in the same place? Coincidence- I think not. Could they be the same person??!

er they have a model of that too, I just looked

they did that though ....

Maybe Disssa has shared them all n here and I’ve missed them - but if not this thread - via google translate, is great https://www-bassic-de.translate.goog/threads/disssa-bastelt.14887065/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

“Do I like this pedal” I asked turning it on and off wait - I think it still has a transformer in the signal path when turned off so put it in the effect loop of the hx stomp - def makes a difference also an envelope filter before it is fun- quiet playing and when the filter is triggered it pushes the colour box into fuzz territory!

also I should add - the pink line was me boosting the mids enough to get the response flattish- I could have added more to give a boost if I wanted

oh and I also looked at some IR's through the same setup... my one thought about the differences between the cab models of a SVT 8x10 vs the IRs of an SVT8X10. - the shape of the eq curve for the cab are the same, and the top end and bottom end roll offs are similar.... but the peaks and dips in the frequency aren't as extreme - it's a less extreme flavour of the cab... again that's without being able to see the time based element of the models/IR

What are the cab sims doing? All on factory default mic/distance and other settings... obviously they are based around some kind of impulse response and time based element that I'm not gathering here... White noise into reaper.... Ampeg B15 1x18 Woody blue 8x10 SVT 6x10 calipower 2x15 brute Now this is interesting Ampeg 4x10 HLF with the 421 dyn mic.... same cab with the 4038 ribbon mic.... bit odd

So there you go... the collective basschat hive mind probably understands what they are looking at more than me, it kinda helps me visualise what it's doing... It seems that there's more than 15db bass boost on tap...

The EQ Now this is the interesting bit for me.... and involved some photoshop... The high control - which goes quite low if you want it too... (grey line is flat) The mid control purple is shift at it's lowest setting, pink is the shift set at 12o'clock and the lilac is the highest setting. And here's where it gets a bit odd... The Bass control Light yellow is set at it's lowest setting- it also pulls down everything above 200Hz but fairly powerful control... it can go plenty low enough and fat enough for bass, don't listen to Talkbass... The orange is set at it's highest setting... if 450Hz is considered Bass? Interestingly that boost seemed to go a bit weird at the full rotation of the pot and gives that secondary peaks at 1.5k and 2.5k - backed off just a smidge and this turns into a more regular peak ... there's actually a lot of change available at the end of the pots travel. I'm not sure when I would turn down the bass on the orange line...

The HPF So if you go online to talkbass or somewhere there are people mouthing off that "this wouldn't work for bass as the HPF is too high for bass" - or even that theres a built in HPF that lops off the bottom end... Lets look at that Master=12, pre-vol=9 step=3 graph from the post above again... you can see we've got a gentle rolloff on the lows... Now if you are someone who must leave all EQ knobs centred then that may be a problem for bass players - in reality knobs are made for twisting as I may be able to show later... HPF on and set to lowest setting which is stated at 160Hz ... which is roughly what I'm seeing... and turned up to the stated 650Hz .. which may be even higher .... So any use for bass players? Yes and no... If you are using the OD/Fuzz capabilities of this thing it very much affects how the fuzz behaves and sounds - so that might be useful.... And also you can do the old HPF and boost EQ at similar point to get a "fatter" sounding bottom... which might look like this ... (I had the bass shift control at around 9 o'clock and the bass boost at about 3 o'clock) so if you like your bottom end you might not use this switch - but also the above pink line roll off isn't crazy compared to say, the Helix cab models I could compare it too...

First the dull ones - white noise into HXstomp and out again... Then patched through to with the pedal off - I think it passes through at least one of the transformers ... So pedal on... volume knob in 3o'clock position pre volume in middle 12'clock step control on 1 (the lowest) output (eq knobs all centred) Then... volume knob in 12 o'clock position pre volume 9'clock step control on 3 output (eq knobs all centred) Then next step... volume knob in 12 o'clock position pre volume 12'clock step control on 4 output (eq knobs all centred) I couldn't hear anything as I wasn't listening to white noise.... it would send me mad or to sleep.... but it's possibly going into clipping at some point here here, or the "pre volume" up too high the bottom end drops out But going up to step 5 and with the output volume at 12o'clock and bringing the pre-vol down to 9'oclock we're back to that similar shape to some of the others...

I don't really do pedals... really I'm trying not too, but I love a nice preamp and have a thing about wanting to try transformer stuff since I had a Hellborg preamp which was really nice.... Normally run a HX stomp... I've even got some "Neve desk" and Neve EQ IRs - which do do a very slight nice thing to the sound... but obviously aren't really quite the same... So a conversation with @krispn and then "look, this guy is selling one" ended up with me buying off a nice guy on Facebook marketplace. It looks like the one on the JHS website... and it's utterly crazy flexible - three gain/volume type knobs, a highness filter and then a eq.... First impressions are - it's a great pedal designed for guitar - that works for bass... it can do all sorts of overdrive to fuzz, to very nasty something-is-clipping-in-a-bad-way-i-think-thats-what-a-square-wave-through-a-horn-soundslike - the EQ is really quite musical and also did some odd sounding things at the extremes. playing with it I didn't really know what I was hearing, now my ears are ok, not great - but my memory is very visual so @MartinB and his lovey laney digbeth thread gave me an idea... why not actually get some pictures of what it is doing? So I did, and am sharing them for your interest here... I'll make the caveat that I'm not an expert in anyway in anything musical so if I've made some major mistakes... well this thread will just quietly disappear I sent Track of white noise into the Input of my HX stomp from Reaper, and then took the output into reaper and Voxengo SPAN... then took screenshot...

lovely lovely lovely

I was going to say what WoT just said!

ACG?