LukeFRC

out of interest @BigRedX - as well as getting it to work with your setup - how do you find it sounds?

What he says

That’s lovely Si! Matches thr gold PJ!

top tip ... retroreel with the wow/flutter off and the saturation up is a nice fattener

but 99% of people here aren't running the business. I get where you're coming from though, there is the risk that this move could end up with hobbyists in the crossfire, or at that price anyone selling a secondhand car or posh push bike would be reportable. buying secondhand stuff I don't have receipts for how much I paid or anything - but the taxman would have to show that you were selling your bitsas for profit, not that you're selling lots of nice bitsas - and the reality is if you set your music playing up as a self employed side hustle the costs of storage, strings, insurance, new pedals, depreciation etc would soon offset any potential profits you might be making.

Or 100% aimed at people currently avoiding tax on income … Depending on your point of view.

If you look in the iem bible thread it Depends on the seal you get - the tighter the better as you get more low end and can run them quieter. with my iem I use the triple flange Christmas tree type ones which give a good seal and last ages - time to investigate earbud tips…

A long time ago I used to work for a business making t-shirts and selling them on eBay - the problem was that while we would pay our VAT and taxes and national insurance and run everything above board we were constantly being undercut by companies that would fire up, copy all our designs, flog them cheaper and then disappear - the only way you could do this is either slave labour, or avoid VAT by legal and non-legal means. Cracking down on this, and the likes small parcels of Chinese fast fashion avoiding taxes/import etc is really important unless we want to see a massive hollowing out of our society... So there is the likelyhood this might be rubbish for some hobbiests who flip lots of high value gear and don't keep receipts - but I kinda think the long term this is a good thing. It will protect jobs. Plus it's the data the HMRC are after for trends, going after Beedster who sold two Bitsas, or Dawn who chucked her cheating husband out and sold off all his precious fishing rods is hardly going to be cost effective... the guy flipping 4 cars a month, or the t shirt business turning over £1M+ a year and avoiding all taxes might be worthwhile their time...

Small sound/big sound mini I would maybe use *both* drive and cab sim. Not sure the best cab sim pedals mind, tc impulse if irs, or broughton high pass/ low pass if doing basic chopping thr ends off - the tonex mini thing might be cheapest smallest thing to give you a whole amp cab at end of chain? 🤷

Or grizzly bass which has a top end roll off

I think the point is what does the audience hear. drives will often sound harsh - I would be looking for a cab sim or high pass/low pass after the drives to help things sound natural through iem, and front of house. otherwise my stock answer is ss/bs mini or clone of!

Irony being if Lovetone bring it back they will probably be buying the bbd chips from … behringer!

Given there’s not much new in analogue electronics, and given we are in a topic about behringer …. I think that counts for lovetone as an original adaptation of an existing topology! Something like the 3leaf Photon is similarly a refined version to the point it becomes its own thing

Not every one, there's a few ways to do an envelope filter electronically... the Meatball is a very very hyped Mutron 3 topology. Not that my pedantry matters, as we know from the 6 billion Big Muff varients tuning circuits and a few components being different values can make a massive variation on sound.

I think they are using Aion’s PCBs for at least some of their stuff

Do you think they bought one and traced it themselves or just used Aion FX's or someone on freestompboxes trace?!

If it's a live brand it's a lot easier to send Behringer a cease and desist letter for using name and trade dress?

Isn’t there a funkulator in the grizzly?

The bassrig stuff is modelling the preamp, poweramp, reactive load and cab sim that’s been tuned to match the original cab - it’s going to do one thing but it’s going to do it really really well. the VTDI is a preamp with a simple cab sim at the end, I don’t know how complex it it is shape wise. Where I’ve seen an electrical examination of the VTDI the character knob is a variable eq curve that can dial in a more driven sound, or dial it out (b15 a like) It’s a great pedal big “I want a B15 sound in a pedal” investigations don’t often mention the VTDI as an option. I think they sit in different categories, an Ampeg sgt would be a closer alternative- or if you really were after two bass amps on a budget the tonex one would probably do it digitally. Origin aren’t doing it in digital, are U.K. made and are aiming at a level of “let’s engineer this thing well” where price point and value for money aren’t their primary driver of what they are doing.

I've seen the guts of both (well a Origin Bassrig, not the new one) and they are very different in terms of the electrical complexity of what they are doing - so I'm not sure it's as simple as saying one pedal can do two sounds and another brand needs two pedals to do the samething.

I wonder how much trouble you could cause by taking your professional looking image and sticking on the other bass forum and Facebook groups with "have you seen this - so looking forward to it" type comments ....

Nah- I think price point will be ok - they have sold plenty of the other bass rigs - if you can afford it it won’t be a problem, and it’s cheaper than an amp and cab.