LukeFRC

so I figured it was best for the forum selling rules to start a proper post... 

 
So @SamIAm, @tauzero, @rmorris, @bobbass4k I have made a warts and all build doc which is linked in the post to try and put you all off... 

Homage to Ted Hughes on the PCB too... it seemed cool at the time!

some of my build shots.... 

Short version:

A PCB with a circuit like a Smallsound/Bigsound Mini ... which is itself very like the Fairfield Circuitry Barbershop  in terms of circuit if nothing else...

I have 9 8 7 6 of them up for grabs

For sale posted to your door in the UK for the price of a pint!

(My pints are £5 from Amity brewery down the hill in Farsley)

Long version:

Years back I got into building pedals, then sold them all and forgot it. Then I got into it again.
Sometime in 2022 I tried to make my own PCB. It was an utter disaster of a process let down by me not planning ahead... fast forward a bit and I get a load of premade PCB from PedalPCB and other places, build more stuff and learn more... One of the ones I made was a Barbershop overdrive clone - I loved it - Mild JFet overdrive is my happy place. The Barbershop sounded a lot like Beta pedal without the Beta's baked in bass boost... A barbershop with EQ would be cool I thought... "look for a SS/BS Mini" someone on talkbass said... well I couldn't afford that but I found someone else layout and figured I could make my own - but redesign the PCB to fit in a 1590b... 
Which would get me a pedal I wanted to try AND tick the "successfully design a PCB" item off the bucket list.... 
I almost did it .... 
So it's not a perfect, there's two traces missing that you have to do manually... and if you've never made a pedal before JFETs aren't like ICs that are plug and go... and fitting it in a 1590a is not the easiest thing you will have done with your life... and I'm not offering support beyond the build doc (and being a nice guy) But if you've built the odd pedal before none of this should be a problem... 

There is a build document here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tmyy3kRHbvgvlTAjUWAN9k2UuxKYZ2yRWj447h42MhM/edit?usp=sharing 

I am not sending you anything till you've looked at the build document and understand what you'll get  -

If you want to build your first pedal pick a Aion Electronics or PedalPCB kit from Musikding,

If you want a SS/BS Mini pre built buy one - or a Noise Space Audio Piggy , I did get asked if I would build these up and sell them... it's not something I'ld be massively keen on...
So I figured sell them, price of a pint including UK postage. 

I have 10 PCB, and @jimbobothy is having one of them for his first pedal build - so that leaves 9 9 8 7 6 left if anyone wants them. 

2 hours ago, rmorris said:

 

You have schematic / BOM for these ?

Yep, getting documentation and guide on a google doc

So now I’ve got the subscription I can ask this here…

I made a pcb up for my clone of a ss/bs mini - it sounds amazing and can go from low gain barbershop style od to fill on fuzz. Went together ok, not pro level pcb, two traces missed and my resistors were slightly bigger than the footprint I used.

where I ended up  - I have 9 spare pcb - one is going to a mate - so I’ve made an instruction document …

so should I …

1) chuck the pcb

2) sell them on here - I was thinking “buy me the equivalent of a beer”. 

3) I’ve had one person tentatively ask for a made up one - so make a small run and sell ? 
4) something else ?

the missed traces 🤦🏻‍♂️

I used a fuzz dog 3pdt pcb and two of their “fet pets” for the smd jfets 

1590b - of course! 

googling where Tenbury wells is... 

JHS?

On 14/02/2024 at 11:32, andruca said:

 

I haven't tried the RainSel, but AFAIK, when you use the stock LineSel effect you just bypass the rest of the chain (after the LineSel) when it's on. With the RainSel it's the same, you just have 2 extra parameters to blend in dry signal (from the input) and wet signal (so far int he chain, remember everything after the RainSel is bypassed). The stock LineSel is simply ment to do the bypassing. You get your sound, as wet as it might be right before the LineSel.

So I've a MS70cdr and just tried it out...

Stick it at the end of your chain and you can turn off the whole chain (as per LineSel) .... 
Turned on you can blend clean into effected...

So run a delay into a reverb into a bit crusher - full wet.... and then add the clean in at the end! 

I made a wanted thread and Sam kindly offered to sell me what I was looking for... 
amazing and thank you so much @SamIAm 

30 minutes ago, tauzero said:

 

You'd be most likely to want to use it with a smartphone.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/271496/global-market-share-held-by-smartphone-vendors-since-4th-quarter-2009/

 

Latest figure is about 25% Apple, and there's nothing else other than Android of any significance. Even back in 2012, Apple only had 21% of the market, Samsung had about 30% (Android) and Symbian had pretty much disappeared at that point. So the decision to ignore Android still makes no sense.

Those are global stats - but if you look at us/uk/japanese markets iOS is more prevalent. It depends where Zoom are trying to sell their products too. 
none of which stop the ms100bt being the ugly duckling of the product line with or without an android ap

Just now, tayste_2000 said:

Yeah I always steer well clear of the Android iOS debate. For some people it’s near religious.

I have no horse in that race - it was pure Sunday morning wondering and trying to work out why!

7 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

Don't forget that the 100BT disregards the 75% of mobile phones that use Android. This is something that Zoom consistently do (they've done it with the G11, B2-Four, B6, and now the MS-50G+) and I don't understand it. Designing the user interface, the format of any database used, and the messages between pedal and phone are the big bits, they could surely hire someone in to port the iOS program over to Android. That could have quadrupled demand for the 100BT.

I don’t disagree that an android app would have been good - but my brain also wondered why they hadn’t so I dug into it a bit more … 

globally today android makes up 75% - but in 2011-2012 when the ms100bt would have been in development the market leader would have been symbianOS - with a clear change coming in 2012 towards android and iOS

In the U.K. in 2012 when the ms100bt came out iOS 43% market share

android was third with 25%
For 2022 it’s closer to 52% iOS 48% android 

for the US Android is even further behind as 2nd most popular.

49/40 in 2012

48/42 in 2023

from what I can read 2012 android is fractionally more popular in japan but in 2012 far less Japanese people had smartphones compared to the US and it was the year that apple became the most popular phone brand… 

Last 12 months is 67% iOS 32% android

so from what I can work out, if you were going to make an app for the markets where you were selling gear, then iOS would still possibly make sense. I wonder if the 100bt was based on pressure to have something like it in the US or something- from what I can make out it didn’t sell amazingly and had a convoluted “effect store” thing that they eventually binned - with small sales and android being less of a thing in japan spending the ¥ to port it over to android wouldn’t be a priority

https://www.statista.com/statistics/487373/market-share-mobile-operating-systems-uk/#:~:text=Apple's iOS was the leading,the market leader in 2019.

https://explodingtopics.com/blog/iphone-android-users#

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/japan

5 minutes ago, stewblack said:

ITDAA you'd think they'd sell one type of unit and let you install whichever software suited you.

Rather than separate bass and guitar models, let the user decide. 

Surely more cost effective than producing different bodies.

Bet they sell more targeting them to different audiences- it’s about going here’s your bass amps, want the cool reverbs get another pedal… it’s only relatively recently the original range was backward engineered so they could have whatever patches on them 

It looks like what they have done is taken the G11 and chopped it up into different bits. 
drive, ir, cdr - and then done a selection of stuff for a general guitar and bass pedal 

Based on a MXR M287 apparently- which is a pedal I have never heard of!

2 hours ago, SamIAm said:

I'm toying with trying a physical pedalboard after a few years of multi-fx.  One of the things I like to do is split the paths so that low frequencies bypass octave/fuzz/chorus, the higher frequencies go through them.

 

How would one achieve this with a physical board?

 

Sam x

You know the things that are super simple on a digital pedal but not in analogue world….

something like this would get close

https://www.broughtonaudio.com/product-page/filter-fx-loop 
 

(I should trace the crossover bit of the miniXO I’ve got and make it like a effects loop…

We used to have a piano growing up with burl veneer finish just like that. None of my family could play but it just sat there - it was a wooden frame too so couldn’t even be tuned. 

6 minutes ago, admiralchew said:

I then have one more set of boards planned as a kind of big hurrah before finally downscaling to something approaching normal/acceptable levels so my fiancee and I can live in a house rather than a pedal fort.

Shall I quote you on this in 12 months and see how it went? 

@Owen…

Nice - this was 2 miles from my house and someone said they would buy it 30 min before I could!  glad it's gone to one of us lot! 

Let us know how it sounds when you've fixed it up

20 minutes ago, bassist_lewis said:

As we're doing shelves now

 

It feels topheavy with the Moog and ampeg at the top! 

1 minute ago, Downunderwonder said:

80hz would be as good as any?

Crossover fully down is 100Hz on the mini XO - IMO it sounds better higher cleaning up the low mids a bit

10 minutes ago, Downunderwonder said:

It's for sale.

 

I'd like to hear it at 10 20 30% OD pretty please!

With XO where? 

45 minutes ago, Rich said:

 

The programmable helicopter arrived  and I've put it the new version of the Loopy de Loop box (as I'm now calling it  ) and can report that it works really well. Strangely, the first switching after it's initially powered up does click, but then the subsequent ones are silent. And because it's a momentary SPDT switch, it's really soft touch. I'm half tempted to try to squeeze one of these into all my true bypass 3PDT switch pedals. 

I've got a load of similar but are slimmer to fit about the width of the switch - I think latching or non latching relays have quite an effect on power consumption?