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[quote name='wateroftyne' post='1200607' date='Apr 15 2011, 01:04 PM']..and also: "Oral tradition, oral culture and oral lore is cultural material and traditions transmitted orally from one generation to another.[1][2] The messages or testimony are verbally transmitted in speech or song and may take the form, for example, of folktales, sayings, ballads, songs, or chants." [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_tradition"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_tradition[/url][/quote] It would appear we were both correct, although it appears that 'aural' tradition is possibly specific to music traditions such as 'folk' and 'blues'.

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='1200596' date='Apr 15 2011, 12:59 PM']You might want to check again... [/quote] I don't think so(?) Or at least this is how I've always been told to refer to it because you have 'aural' training/exams "Aural tradition - Many types of music, such as traditional blues and folk music were originally preserved in the memory of performers, and the songs were handed down orally, or aurally (by ear). When the composer of music is no longer known, this music is often classified as "traditional." Different musical traditions have different attitudes towards how and where to make changes to the original source material, from quite strict, to those that demand improvisation or modification to the music. A culture's history may also be passed by ear through song." [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music#Aural_tradition"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music#Aural_tradition[/url]

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='1200573' date='Apr 15 2011, 12:39 PM']It surprises me that a forum comprised of soi-disant musicians might include some* who are unaware of the importance of the 'oral tradition' in folk music, whereby one learns by listening, observing, performing and - in time perhaps - producing one's own variations. This simply a matter of context which one must respect. To scorn a man in moleskin trousers with respect to matters technical or notational is to invite a pitchfork up the fundament. And rightly so. [size=1]* Naturally I exempt the OP from my calculated slight. He asked the question quite fairly[/size][/quote] Firstly, I think you'll find it's an 'aural' tradition. Secondly, the most effective way to pass on music through an aural tradition is by communication, and if that means someone going *shrugs* 'dunno what i'm playing' then it's harder work than it needs to be IMO. To be fair though, most of the folkies I've played with have quite a good understanding of what they're playing. I was saying that the people substituting Cadd9 for a power chord are the problem.

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='1200519' date='Apr 15 2011, 12:05 PM']...another view: If I was confronted with a guitarist like this, it wouldn't really bother me. I'd just work out what chords he's playing and crack on. Life's too short.[/quote] ...another view Life's too short to spend half of every rehearsal working out what the guitarist is doing AND rehearsing the music

[quote name='Bilbo' post='1200503' date='Apr 15 2011, 11:50 AM']Not even knowing what chords you are playing is a rare inadequacy nowadays and one I won't indulge.[/quote] + 1000000000 Bilbo Also, in response to the OP... Since when was Cadd9 a complicated chord?! C E G and D? Hardly difficult. If the guitarists you play with have to revert to the power chord for something as simple as that, i'd imagine it would restrict the band quite considerably.

[quote name='4-string-thing' post='1198725' date='Apr 13 2011, 09:19 PM']Should have bought a Warwick.... Padded gigbag, tool kit, manual, straplocks, wax, duster, label telling me what woods were used, when and where it was made etc![/quote] It's that kind of attention to detail that comes in really useful... when you realise you need to sell/trade it for a Fender

Has no-one noticed that at no point does he actually state that the money you spend you will get back? It says 'we pay up front for...' but never says that you will be reimbursed for your expenses. Sounds like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!

[quote name='Linus27' post='1199103' date='Apr 14 2011, 10:07 AM']The only thing is, that goes against the whole point of having a combo. I already have a Shuttle 6 and a couple of Aggy GS112 speakers so I might as well stick with that if I was going to start using the MarkBass head with a seperate speaker. The reason for the combo is the band I have just joined is an acoustic type setup and so I wanted a nice easy option of one bass, one combo, plug in and play and no complications. We rehearse in the singers from room as its acoustic so having a combo is just so much easier rather than taking my rig apart, setting up in singers house, practise, take it all apart again and assembling again at home.[/quote] I play a Precision with flats into a LMIII/Aggy GS112 and I've never had a problem finding any sound that I'm after. Maybe it's just the combo that's the issue and a seperate speaker is the answer? As for the issue of just wanting to lug a combo to practice. Stick the amp head into the front of your gig bag and take one GS112. Will be just as easy to carry as taking a combo.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1197512' date='Apr 12 2011, 10:42 PM']No one is bashing Mark nor suggesting he is a fraudulent seller the comments are no different to commenting on customer service by other shops or manufacturers (see the Ampeg oh dear thread).[/quote] Yup. The thing is, we all know that if Bassdirect had dealt with this in the way the majority of people have suggested, it is pretty likely that Truckstop would have been on here singing their praises and getting them more customers/sales/money. In dealing with it the wrong way, they are likely to have done the opposite with some people. Just silly IMO

[quote name='munkonthehill' post='1197407' date='Apr 12 2011, 09:59 PM']what a ridiculous thing to say. If I go into a shop I expect the seller to know what they have and what they are selling. Its up to them to deliver the goods as described. When I bought my wifes engagement ring,,,was the onus on me to pick the diamond rather than the lump of glass?[/quote] + 1 I personally know nothing about cars. If I want to buy a car, I go to a dealer where I am protected by UK LAW against misleading/false advertising, so that I am not taken advantage of. Simple as that. That (lack of customer knowledge) might not be the case with this bass, but it is the customer's prerogative to buy ANYTHING and receive this protection. It's obvious that some people feel more comfortable buying from a dealer who is required by law to advertise truthfully so that the customer can make a purchase based on the accurate information provided by an expert in that area. If they fail to provide accurate, truthful and the complete range of information (or fail to provide relevant information due to negligence or lack of expertise) it is therefore the dealer incorrect description that has resulted in the sale of an incorrectly advertised product and they should therefore be responsible for it.

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[quote name='poptart' post='1196830' date='Apr 12 2011, 02:13 PM']Alex In response to your post. The bass in question was brought in to my shop by a very good customer who was looking to px the bass, I was unsure of its date so we checked the [b]serial number on the headstock on the [u]Fender[/u] website and got 1983,[/b] to confirm this I took the bass over to my guitar tech who has over 20 years experience with Fenders and as soon as he saw the instrument he immediately declared it an '83 as it has a very specific neck radius and fingerboard edge. He also commented that the finish on the bass was also correct as they used a finish that was rather brittle and prone to flaking off and indeed there were signs of this. The bridge also tallied from that period. [b]The bass did come in an unoriginal [u]Fende[/u]r Tweed case,[/b] but apart from that no further checks were made as to its origins. I marketed the bass as a 1983 instrument based on the above information and originally had the bass at well over £1000 which would have been appropriate for a bass of that Vintage, however over a period of time I dropped the price to £699 which was very close to what I had paid for it as I felt it was time to move it on and was happy to get my costs back. I was very surprised to received your email Alex, and I am sorry you are having this problem with your customer, [b]however all second hand items sold through any shop are "[u]sold as seen[/u]"[/b]. You always have the opportunity when coming into a shop to assess whether the item is what it appears to be or not. You have your statutory rights as a consumer to return the item within 7 days if you are not happy of if there is a fault. I feel that I have acted honestly, responsibly and appropriately in this situation. Regards Mark[/quote] I have to say, as an outsider, the lack of accurate research and care taken over this sale (from what I've read) by Bassdirect is discouraging me from taking my custom there again. (I will back this up with facts!) Firstly, the details provided within the advertisement of this instrument is essential. From what I can make out from what has been posted, the bass was advertised (or at the very least IMPLIED to be) a 1983 Fender bass. The parts highlighted show that the customer, who has walked into a specialist bass shop looking to buy from sales staff with expertise, has [u][b]seen[/b][/u] a 1983 Fender bass in a Fender branded tweed hard case and has purchased from a source that he believed to have expertise in selling bass guitars, and therefore puts trust into the seller that a degree of understanding/researching was involved with creating an advertisement for the instrument. So, if the instrument was implied/advertised to be a 1983 Fender bass, and the customer was not explicitly informed that the shop/staff were unable to verify this, UK law states that; 'In the UK, sellers are required to provide consumers with goods that are as described, fit for purpose, and of satisfactory quality. If the trade description and the advertisement do not match, then you may be entitled to a refund or compensation.' Therefore, the 'sold as seen' declaration stated by the shop is invalid, as the customer is not expected to clarify that advertising is correct before purchase. It is a legal requirement that the seller provides the customer with a product that matches the advertising.

[quote name='peteb' post='1197148' date='Apr 12 2011, 06:37 PM']To be honest, I was pretty underwhelmed the first time I played thru Markbass gear but I'm definitely a convert now! First of all, I think that the amps are far better than the cabs (I am not the only one with this opinion0and there certainly muddy sounds in there and you do need to be careful with the VLE/VLP controls. But I really like the amps now, warm and articulate and seem to sit in the mix really well - in fact I am seriously considering getting a LM3 at the moment...[/quote] + 10000000000000000000 I love my LMIII, but agree that the amps are better than the cabs. I run my LMIII with an Aguilar GS112 and I can't think of anything I would want to do to change the sound I get with it. Buy a LMIII, you won't be disappointed... do it!

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='1194527' date='Apr 10 2011, 01:01 PM']You adroitly swerved the guitard issue. Thought I wouldn't notice, eh? Let's not be too hard on Ross. Enthusiasm's a great thing, plus he might have some gooseberry wine on the go soon.[/quote] Haha, all the guitards I play with are actually alright. Not great, but they keep themselves to themselves and that's good enough for me. But yeah, I'll happily share wine and talk gear... My gear is like a beautiful lady. I want people to look and be jealous but if they touch, it's instant death.

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='1194516' date='Apr 10 2011, 12:45 PM']Wot? More than playing Mustang Sally, being ignored by punters, dealing with guitards and humping a bass rig around. Surely not?[/quote] Lol. Never played Mustang Sally at a gig, being ignored by punters doesn't bother me when the money goes in my pocket, and I can carry my bass, cables/pedals and amp (MarkBass LMIII) in one gig bag/hand and carry my cab (Aguilar GS112) with the other hand. All gear carried in one trip. So yes, people wanting to play my gear is the biggest downside of playing for me.

This is the [b]biggest[/b] and only downside of playing bass for me. I seriously cannot comprehend the cheek of it. It's different playing gear of someone you know, in their house, because they asked you if you want a go. But walking up to a stranger and saying 'can I play your [pride and joy] bass?'... really?! I didn't pay £XXXX for my gear so that some chump can wander over and play it for free! If you want to try a bass, disappear down to your local music shop on a weekend and hassle them. They expect it and at least that way I can avoid it. EDIT: Talking about it is fine, but keep your mitts off!

[quote name='Chris2112' post='1193499' date='Apr 9 2011, 07:22 AM']Yes, I think with it being Windows now it's really worse than ever as Windows is a dire affair. The Overwaters were just hanging up on the wall with the rest of the tat they had there and the wife was looking less than impressed as I considered a 'research run' for the purposes of the forum![/quote] Were they overpriced (in comparison to, say, the prices quoted online at places like bassmerchant)? I'll be back up in the North East next week and might have a look in if you reckon it'll be worth it?

Thanks for all the help and advice guys. As always, basschat saves the day!

+ 1 I got a Fender 50s Precision Bass (MIM - Black) and it's stunning. Bought it new a few years ago for about £440 and (as most Fenders have) it's shot up in price to about £600. Stunning bass, and better than all the Squiers I've played and 99% of the M/CIJ and MIA Ps I've played. Annnnnddddd here's the porn

[quote name='TKenrick' post='1189774' date='Apr 5 2011, 10:01 PM']The last exercise shows a C major scale played in 3rds, once this is comfortable I'd suggest working out how to play it in different intervals (4ths, 5ths etc), which will really start to test your hands and brain! Tom[/quote] +1 Scale in 6ths always features in my warm-ups and practices, just because it works the brain and fingers hard.

[quote name='wateroftyne' post='1192017' date='Apr 7 2011, 05:26 PM']I have nothing to add other than: [i]OP's username[/i] + [i]thread title[/i] = [i]even more hilarity[/i][/quote] When I saw 'Knobs' and wateroftyne as the last member to post, I thought it was going to be something related to Eldon Square Bus Station. This is better

[quote name='Doddy' post='1192178' date='Apr 7 2011, 07:52 PM']Personally I'd just get a five string,but using the bottom 4 strings of a 5 string set and getting a proper set up is all that you really need to do and you'll be fine. Just out of interest (pedantic?),even though you're tuning down,you are still in concert pitch-A is still an A,it's just in a different place.[/quote] +1 Just get a 5er. You're just making hard work for yourself and chances are, it wont work anywhere near as well as just having an instrument built for the job. Also (Doddy), I'm glad I wasn't the only one with a pedantic twinge whilst reading through

Beautiful! After getting my Aggy GS112 to go with my LMIII, I don't honestly know why ANYONE would choose to have big, bulky gear when the Aggy cabs are so compact and so damn good! Full rig, elevated off the floor by the trolley and it probably doesn't even reach your belly button! Amazing!

I too, am a fan of the block-inlay Jazz basses... selling off the MIM Classic 70s though, just not playing jazzes any more. The other jazz is the only bass I would NEVER get rid of, because of it's sentimental value. I love it.