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…do they work ?? 
I stumbled  upon various basses over the last few days. This can be dangerous, as we know. 
I looked at the Roland G77B with  its trimmings . I decided against it for now, due to technology advancing and the chance of things going wrong and difficult to get fixed.

 

I do have a few synths at home . I just ordered a Roland Boutique JP-X8 . A condensed version of the JX-08 which has all the sounds on the Roland Bass setup.Allegedly. 
This got me wondering if a Sonuus G2M would work if I used this to plug my bass into the Roland Boutique Synth!

 

I probably won’t bother with it , but if someone tells me it works then I’ll have to get one ..

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If you even try that Sonuus (B2M), buy a piccolo set, too. Prepare yourself to play everything again and again to get something reasonable out of the MIDI rig. 

 

The best solution is to use a keytar, MISA Tri-Bass, Industrial Radio (split fret) bass or similar. Bass is so slow in frequency to MIDI conversion. 

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Yeah , too much hassle for what it’s worth . I’ll leave it 😼👍

Thanks for confirming . 

 

It can get very expensive , and tbh my time would be spent better trying to learn the stuff I already have etc 

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Pitch to MIDI for the bass is a complete non-starter.

 

The very best systems combined with the cleanest playing technique require a MINIMUM one and a half cycles to detect the pitch of the note played. That means that any note lower than E on the 9th fret of the G string on a bass will take at least 10ms to detect, 10ms being generally the point at which most musicians start to find latency intrusive and off-putting. And this is under perfect conditions using the best pitch detection systems and an exceptionally clean playing technique. Most older and budget systems (like the G2M) are much worse for latency.

 

On top of that you can add another couple of milliseconds for that pitch to be processed and turned into MIDI information. Even with a piccolo set of strings it rules out anything below the 7th fret of the A string.

 

You either need an instrument that uses fret sensing to detect the pitch or something like the Roland V-bass system to uses modelling to modify the waveforms produced by the strings if you want to use synth sounds from a stringed instrument in a live situation. If you want something for programming your DAW you are better off using a keyboard. If you want to retain the feel you get from playing the part on a bass or guitar, program the line into your DAW and then record the audio from your bass and use a beat slicing tool to make a groove template for the quantisation.

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I would say contrary to above that if you want something to put into a daw, there is no harm playing it on the bass and then doing the pitch to note conversion afterwards, because latency then doesn't matter, and you can manually tidy it up afterwards as there are no real time constraints.

There is no harm using midi bass live if the latency isn't an issue ie, you are not playing fast lines or you can preplay which is fairly easy, or you are using slow synth sounds such as pads for sweeping notes.

For any kind of fast stuff, it doesn't really make any sense as it is far easier to use a keyboard.

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I have tried them all. Best solution, in my view, and it's not close, is the JamOrigin MIDI Guitar / MIDI Bass Solution WITH a hexaphonic pick up (it works well without, too, but if you are doing chordal work the hexaphonic makes an enormous difference). If you want something to be used without a laptop, a GK-3B + GR-20 will do.

 

All that said, I do not think it is entirely true to say that pitch to midi is a complete non-starter. But you do have to play differently – for example, if you are playing a bass synth line with a fast attack sound, then you'd be advised to play that one (or even two, if possible) octaves up. it's a world of trade offs. It can work, but you need to be aware that it is a different animal. Here is an example from a few months ago, with the much worse MIDI Guitar 2.

 

 

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