fleabag Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 I'm having trouble finding quality bluetooth earbuds without a mic. I dont need a mic, but it seems most come with one. Anybody found any ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelDean Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 They all come with a mic. It's just a feature the market has decided everyone wants and I'd be surprised if you found any without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted August 2, 2023 Author Share Posted August 2, 2023 ok thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Wireless ones that also have noise cancelling need a mic to control that feature. I have a great suspicion that the Non noise cancelling ones are actually the same, just with that bit of firmware turned off. That would make scale manufacturing far easier - the internals of the products would all be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 That makes perfect sense ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 If it helps - I have the Sony WF1000XM4 and I've been very impressed with them. Sound is good, no dropouts. The noise cancelling works well and the buttons can be programed in the app. There's even a clever thing that turns the NC on while sitting / standing, but allows ambient noise through when you start moving again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 I looked at those, but the amount of people that have moaned about the " speak to chat " thingy put me off. So i'm currently looking at the Sony WF-C700N which doesn't have that feature. My only problem is how to pair any Bluetooth earbuds to our Yamaha Stagepas 1k PA, since you cant see a menu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 I'm pretty sure the Speak To Chat can be turned off. I'll have a look later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 Yes, that was the problem. It would turn off temporarily then re-activate itself. It was driving many people nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay bass Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 I think the bluetooth on the stagepas is to recieve bluetooth audio from external devices , im not sure it transmits any signal out via bluetooth to monitors etc. i would like to know if anyone has used the stagepas successfuly with bluetooth in ear monitors. regards Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelDean Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Yeah, it says Bluetooth input on the Yamaha website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 Ouch, thanks jay and michael. It never even crossed my mind that the Stagepas are BT input only. Could have wasted nearly 100 squid on earbuds 🤓 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay bass Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 i cant see any mention of bluetooth out on the stagepas just 1 channel 9/10 that recieves audio via bluetooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 Thats not my model, ( mine is the 1k ) but no doubt the 1k stagepass are the same as the above 600 with regards to BT. I have to think around the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) What about if i cabled an active Bluetooth monitor to our Stagepas monitor out, and then used BT earbuds to get audio from the active monitor ? It doesnt have to be the one on Amazon... just thinking if this would work Edited August 3, 2023 by fleabag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelDean Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Generally speaking, there is too much latency (roughly 34-200 milliseconds) in Bluetooth to work for live sound applications. The average person can notice around 13ms according to a quick Google search, almost tripling that will be really noticeable. If you want to go wireless, there are other solutions to go with wired buds that are made for the purpose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted August 3, 2023 Author Share Posted August 3, 2023 Thanks Michael Latency ...Thats something else that didnt cross my mind, and looking at the specs of Bluetooth active monitors, the one above on Amazon says it's a BT receiver, which i assume is the same as "input only " like the Stagepas, so that option appears to be scuppered even before latency reared it's ugly head I think i'm just going to get a small powered monitor and forget wireless of any kind, especially as i didnt want in ears to start with, because i tried IEMs and i didnt get on with them. Just dont like stuff in my shell likes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 You could try the Lekato MS-1 plus whatever wired earbuds you want. Around £30 from Aliexpress plus the cost of the earbuds. https://lekatodeal.com/en-uk/products/lekato-ms-1-wireless-in-ear-monitor-system-2-4g-stereo-iem-transmitter-receiver https://www.gigsandguitars.com/lekato-ms-1-iem-review/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike257 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 IEMs are great (when well set up) but Bluetooth is completely inadequate for them. The latency is way beyond anything vaguely acceptable for monitoring live performance. If you could do it with cheap Bluetooth buds, everyone would be doing it instead of spending hundreds on proper radio systems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hill76 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Even low bluetooth latency is well over 30 milliseconds, which is not usable for live audio. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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