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My rhyth git has a Digitech F300 footswitch for one of his Roland rack units, and the TRS 1/4"  cable he uses doesnt work all functions.

 

Does a 3 button footswitch  require a TRRS 1/4"   cable ?   I doubt it because the Digitech FS3X  , similar 3 button switch, says it only requires a TRS 1/4" cable

in the specs, but maybe the FS300 is slightly different in operation ?

 

 

FS300

 

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Here in the link is the simlar FS3X

https://www.promenademusic.co.uk/Digitech-FS3X-Footswitch

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I can't find any definite information, but I would suspect that it's not simply wired so that each switch is attached to a separate conductor on the cable, and therefore will only work when connected to the right equipment - in this case another Digitech device.

 

I'd start by plugging in a TSR cable and checking with a multimeter what happens when you press each footswitch. Alternative open up the unit and see what's inside.

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What Roland device is he trying to make it work with? It would be worth having a look at the relevant page in the Roland devices manual regard compatible footswitches.

 

Given the circuit diagram that has been posted is correct I suspect that the matrix switching the Digitech pedal sends doesn't exactly correspond to the matrix switching the Roland unit expects to receive. And why should it? They are devices from different manufacturers. Once you have pedals with more than two switches connected by a simple two conductor and earth cable there are no guarantees that a switch from one manufacturer will work with a device from another.  

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Yes, thats a good point.  A Digitech footswitcher into a Roland rack unit harmoniser. Probably a bad recipe.  That could simply be the whole problem.

 

I might suggest he finds the Roland pedal that suits his rack unit.  Probably difficult to find these days as i think the rack unit is probably 80's/90's from his solo career

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1 hour ago, fleabag said:

That looks like it would use a regular TRS cable, so its a probability that his cable might be faulty,

or even the footswitch might have a fault

 

Yes. But from a quick look it seems designed to work with other bits of Digitech kit. And there seem to be options on how you set those up to operate with the footswitch.

...And I see BigRedx and fleabag have commented alongg similar lines while I had to go do something else.

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IME unless they have a specialised dedicated foot controller Roland devices are usually designed to work with the appropriate Boss FS5 footswitches. There are two types FS5U (unlatched/momentary) and FS5L (latched). These are still available although quite pricey.

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1 hour ago, fleabag said:

More good points.  I would hazard a guess and say ' Latching ' would be the right pedal, because AFAIK, momentary  pedals means one has to keep one's hoof on the pedal.

 

 

Not necessarily. The kit may be designed to switch on/ off etc on successive momentary switch events. Eg most fx pedals use a momentary switch which toggles the fx on/off via a bit of hardware logic. See a schematic of eg a boss fx pedal.

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Can you find out exactly what model this Roland unit is?  Then you can maybe track down a manual or at least some guidance as to what kind of footswitch it's expecting.  Once you know that, it all becomes a lot easier.

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