Marcus Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Hi Guys, I'm very happy with my current Rig...... Agular DB750 & GS112 & GS112NT However....... i'm thinking I could upgrade the Drivers in my cabs to a higher power handling / better quality 4ohm units and achieve full power from my DB750 which is happy to deliver nearly a 1000W at 2ohms I've read enough on here to know it's not all about watts. I know for more volume i'd be way better off adding more cabs..... infact I have a GS115 which I can pair with the 2x 112's for a monster rig. I guess my thinking is.... Get a GS410 to run with the GS115 for big gigs (If they happen again) and have the "supercharged" 112's for more compact gigs.... Am I being Daft ? Should I leave well alone ? The cabs appear to have a pretty low sensitivity..... As I have lots of power available from the BD750 I feel as though this might be good in the respect of the fact that I can turn up the wick and get the amp out of first gear... Am I thinking correctly here ? Or is the popular pairing of the DB750 with say a super efficient Bergantino cab more of the way forward ? I'm sure Aguilar spent a lot of time working out the best driver for the GS/DB112 - but there must have been an "economy factor" engineered in to achieve such a competitive price point...... would a more expensive driver that was well matched to the type of cabinet / internal vol etc yield an improvement or are there just physical limits to how much power and clean vol you can achieve from a small enclosure like the GS112 Is there a High power 12' Driver out there that's suitable to the box - if so what is it ? Lot's of questions I know..... but I know we have some great experts in this field on Basschat....... [b] Aguilar GS 112 Spec[/b] One 12" cast frame woofer, 56 oz. magnet Power handling: 300 watts Impedance: 8 ohms Phenolic tweeter with integral phase plug Custom crossover with variable tweeter control One Neutrik Speakon and two 1/4" inputs Frequency response: 42 Hz to 16 kHz Sensitivity: 95 DB 1W 1M Heavy-duty spring loaded handle Interlocking corners Dimensions: 14"H x 19"W x 18"D 7-ply, void free Philippine mahogany Weight: 42 lbs. Thanks Guys ATB Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 If you're happy with your sound, why change? If you just want "more" I'd get another GS112. If you want the sound of 10's, what about the DB410 for sale here last month? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreeneKing Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Yep, 3 x GS112's'd be 2.7 Ohms, 900 watts and they'd be resaleable, stackable and still a 1 handed carry (each). Can you borrow one and give it a try? I'm a bit too far away methinks. Oh and they'd definately 'work' too. In fact I always think 2 x GS112's are more than the sum, wonder what 3'd be like Edited March 22, 2009 by GreeneKing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Am sure there is somebody with 3 DB112's on here. I dont think upgrading the drivers is the answer. I would either get another one or get 2x2x10's. Are you not loud enough? Edited March 22, 2009 by bass_ferret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 [quote name='GreeneKing' post='441547' date='Mar 22 2009, 10:20 AM']Yep, 3 x GS112's'd be 2.7 Ohms, 900 watts and they'd be resaleable, stackable and still a 1 handed carry (each). Can you borrow one and give it a try? I'm a bit too far away methinks. Oh and they'd definately 'work' too. In fact I always think 2 x GS112's are more than the sum, wonder what 3'd be like [/quote] All fair comment....... I could still use 3 GS112's and a GS115 !! In all probability a pair of GS112's will do any gig i'm likely to get into in the near future.... but sometimes you wonder about upgraded components delivering more.... else why would someone put Nordstrands into a USA Jazz..... or replace perfectly good Aguilar circuits with funny filter things Cheers Guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreeneKing Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 [quote]replace perfectly good Aguilar circuits with funny filter things[/quote] Try one Marcus, read the hype, its justified. Takes a little aquaintance but once bitten, crafting tone is always better than tweeking it. All imo of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatwound Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 [quote name='Marcus' post='441528' date='Mar 22 2009, 08:47 PM']Hi Guys, I'm very happy with my current Rig...... Agular DB750 & GS112 & GS112NT However....... i'm thinking I could upgrade the Drivers in my cabs to a higher power handling / better quality 4ohm units and achieve full power from my DB750 which is happy to deliver nearly a 1000W at 2ohms I've read enough on here to know it's not all about watts. I know for more volume i'd be way better off adding more cabs..... infact I have a GS115 which I can pair with the 2x 112's for a monster rig. I guess my thinking is.... Get a GS410 to run with the GS115 for big gigs (If they happen again) and have the "supercharged" 112's for more compact gigs.... Am I being Daft ? Should I leave well alone ? The cabs appear to have a pretty low sensitivity..... As I have lots of power available from the BD750 I feel as though this might be good in the respect of the fact that I can turn up the wick and get the amp out of first gear... Am I thinking correctly here ? Or is the popular pairing of the DB750 with say a super efficient Bergantino cab more of the way forward ? I'm sure Aguilar spent a lot of time working out the best driver for the GS/DB112 - but there must have been an "economy factor" engineered in to achieve such a competitive price point...... would a more expensive driver that was well matched to the type of cabinet / internal vol etc yield an improvement or are there just physical limits to how much power and clean vol you can achieve from a small enclosure like the GS112 Is there a High power 12' Driver out there that's suitable to the box - if so what is it ? Lot's of questions I know..... but I know we have some great experts in this field on Basschat....... [b] Aguilar GS 112 Spec[/b] One 12" cast frame woofer, 56 oz. magnet Power handling: 300 watts Impedance: 8 ohms Phenolic tweeter with integral phase plug Custom crossover with variable tweeter control One Neutrik Speakon and two 1/4" inputs Frequency response: 42 Hz to 16 kHz Sensitivity: 95 DB 1W 1M Heavy-duty spring loaded handle Interlocking corners Dimensions: 14"H x 19"W x 18"D 7-ply, void free Philippine mahogany Weight: 42 lbs. Thanks Guys ATB Mark[/quote] Dont stuff around,...get the GS 412 and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 [quote name='GreeneKing' post='441571' date='Mar 22 2009, 10:49 AM'] Try one Marcus, read the hype, its justified. Takes a little aquaintance but once bitten, crafting tone is always better than tweeking it. All imo of course.[/quote] te he..... knew that's get a rise..... I've had a number of series Alembics so understand what you're saying...... with the exception of Stingray type basses I hardly ever boost bass for live use, so I accept that filter based pre-amps have something to add... May consider an experiment with my Longhorn Jazz which currently has an East J Retro in it Anyway........ where's Bill & Alex to tell me to leave my cabs alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreeneKing Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Now I have my Overwater to complement the Harlot I find myself having to tweek to get it to sit well in the mix - loadsa extra mids basically. I miss the filter pre and thought about modding the Overwater (can't really afford to) but on looking into the control cavity it seems almost sacrilegious to interfere in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 [quote name='GreeneKing' post='441678' date='Mar 22 2009, 01:19 PM']Now I have my Overwater to complement the Harlot I find myself having to tweek to get it to sit well in the mix - loadsa extra mids basically. I miss the filter pre and thought about modding the Overwater (can't really afford to) but on looking into the control cavity it seems almost sacrilegious to interfere in there [/quote] No.... No..... don't kill the nice overwater !!! I used to have a Progress III DLX 5 loved it but...... don't get on with 5's would eventually like to get a Progress 4 made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 See me mate and we'll see what your x2 GS cabs with my x2 DB cabs sound like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 [quote name='warwickhunt' post='442076' date='Mar 22 2009, 10:21 PM']See me mate and we'll see what your x2 GS cabs with my x2 DB cabs sound like! [/quote] Now that sounds like a laugh !!! Let's get it on !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Someone on talkbass changed the stock drivers for DeltaLite II 2512s which can handle a lot more bottom and have much stronger mids. However such a swap would completely change the tone of the cabs. There aren't any decent 4 ohm bass guitar suitable 12"s that I know of. Also there are no 'fullrange' 12"s that can come close to handling all the power your DB750 can deliver in the bottom into the current 4 ohm load. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 You're operating with two basic misconceptions. The first is that 'getting all the watts out of my amp' will make any difference in how loud you'll go, the second is that the specs published by Aguilar are worth the paper they're printed on. That said, you'll get a better result with Eminence 3012HO drivers, which have higher sensitivity than your current drivers, and longer throw. They're only available in 8 ohms, but there's no benefit in going 4 ohms anyway. [quote]I'm sure Aguilar spent a lot of time working out the best driver for the GS/DB112[/quote] Most likely less than an hour. Deciding on a driver for a simple reflex box is a long way from rocket science, and more often than not boils down to whichever Eminence OEM is available at the desired price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 [quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' post='442389' date='Mar 23 2009, 01:18 PM']You're operating with two basic misconceptions. The first is that 'getting all the watts out of my amp' will make any difference in how loud you'll go, the second is that the specs published by Aguilar are worth the paper they're printed on. That said, you'll get a better result with Eminence 3012HO drivers, which have higher sensitivity than your current drivers, and longer throw. They're only available in 8 ohms, but there's no benefit in going 4 ohms anyway. Most likely less than an hour. Deciding on a driver for a simple reflex box is a long way from rocket science, and more often than not boils down to whichever Eminence OEM is available at the desired price.[/quote] Hi Bill..... Of all the bass amp manufacturers i'd be inclined to believe Aguilar..... arn't a lot of bass amps power outputs quoted for a particular frequency only ? I believe my DB750 is capable of putting out it's power accross the full frequency spectrum as opposed to say 800hz or whatever ? I know their cabs are made by another company so I have more faith in their amplifier topology than their speaker design thanks for the Driver tip, i'll look into cost / availability in the UK - would I lose any nearfield sound by having driver with a longer throw ? Best Regards Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 [quote name='Marcus' post='443096' date='Mar 23 2009, 04:59 PM']Hi Bill..... Of all the bass amp manufacturers i'd be inclined to believe Aguilar....[/quote]Of the hundreds of Theile Small designed reflex cabs loaded with Eminence drivers this is one of them. They have not trod any ground not well covered by numerous others before them. [quote]would I lose any nearfield sound by having driver with a longer throw ?[/quote]No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 [quote name='Marcus' post='443096' date='Mar 23 2009, 08:59 PM']would I lose any nearfield sound by having driver with a longer throw ?[/quote] This is a very common and totally logical misconception - however 'longer throw' refers to the linear excursion abilities of the driver, i.e. how far back and forth the cone can move, not to how it 'throws' the sound. Often longer throw drivers have less midrange than shorter throw drivers (though this is not the case in the latest designs) and thus the lack of midrange causes you to think the sound is developing further away (due to boundary reflection and off-axis response issues). Fortunately there are no loudspeakers that exhibit 'long throw' characteristics in the sense of 'throwing the sound' so it develops at a distance, though some PA speakers are referred to as long throw because they are more directional and thus should be used when the audience is a large distance away (or else those up close and to the sides won't hear the sound properly). Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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