DanOwens Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 So I've been thinking: With my old Novation Supernova, i could run (simultaneously) 8 different synth patches. This meant i could have various bass/mid-heavy sounds and either switch between or run together to gain all sorts of different sounds. Thisname mentioned in another thread about running an OC2 as a layer amongst other effects. This is actually one of the applications I would try. Is there anything out there that can do this? a parallel, programmable router? Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr.funk Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I suppose a midi controlled mixer with something to split the signal and then a feed from each chain going back into the mixer. Then some kind of foot controller to toggle the presets. The great thing about Novation gear is how you can use each and every effect on each patch in a performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 It would get very complicated as you'd need a MIDI controllable router/switcher and a mixer(maybe MIDI controllable) and a MIDI foot switch thingy. For very basic experimentation.... If you want two parallel lines, use an LS-2. For 3, put another LS-2 in one of the loops of the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I want to get a Boss LS-2 to try out some parallel chains... although it can only give you 2 chains of course. I've also seen somebody use mini Rolls mixers like these (but I think these mixers are passive and wou would be better off with active ones to prevent issues with your chains having different impedances): Hope Ric5 at Talkbass doesn't mind me posting the image! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The Peavey BassFX multi effects unit would allow you to chain up effects in series or parallel. Is that what you're after? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanOwens Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) Sorry guys, guess I should've been more clear but typing on a G1 can get pretty frustrating!! I'm after working with Audio, plus some kind of looper (like the voodoo labs stuff) that splits your input into (say) 8 different paths. You then toggle each sound/pedal individually which are later mixed together. I suppose a passive mixer used the wrong way at the start, and the right way at the end to add them together and turn each effect on and off seperately? Dan Edited March 4, 2009 by DanOwens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Your problem is when you switch between 1 or 2 of the channels, to all 4, it'll be much louder. You'd need a controlled mixer or some sort of complicated solution. I can't quite get my head around it at the moment. I'm thinking along the lines of different set levels on the mixer, and switching between the different channels for each option. Hopefully I will have some sensible suggestions in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanOwens Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 I was thinking something similar. I was thinking a system not unlike the Voodoo Labs GCX, where you plug each pedal into a router and have a control floorboard. Only in my imaginary perfect world each button selects a preset routing (parallel and series for each effect) and levels predetermined so it doesn't get too messy and loud. Why not include multi-channel (decent) compressors and parametric EQs for each pedal so that each time you hit a preset, it is exactly the way you want it. I'm sure what I'm asking for can be done, but I think someone with more aptitude might be the one to do it!! Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velvetkevorkian Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 ...sounds like you want a multi-fx... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 But not many multis can do this sort of paralell chaining... I know the Boss GT-10B can though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velvetkevorkian Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Pod X3 can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umph Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 [quote name='cheddatom' post='425319' date='Mar 4 2009, 05:21 PM']Your problem is when you switch between 1 or 2 of the channels, to all 4, it'll be much louder. You'd need a controlled mixer or some sort of complicated solution. I can't quite get my head around it at the moment. I'm thinking along the lines of different set levels on the mixer, and switching between the different channels for each option. Hopefully I will have some sensible suggestions in the morning.[/quote] i don't think you'd have problems with it being louder, i think thered be some serious phasing issues and impedence problems if you did it with passive splitters etc. It'd be very simple to make something like the LS-2 but with more loops if you wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanOwens Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 Phasing issues? Surely not if the sounds are massively effected. What kind of impedance issues would I be facing? Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umph Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 [quote name='DanOwens' post='425655' date='Mar 5 2009, 12:07 AM']Phasing issues? Surely not if the sounds are massively effected. What kind of impedance issues would I be facing? Dan[/quote] i guess it would be okay if they were effected all the time just if you turned off any of them it could lead to problems. you could have problems with impedence mis matching between the effects if it isn't properly buffered to which would end up with them not sounding like they should be doing. i'd recomend building a big buffered effects loop it's very simple if you have some experience with a soldering iron - i can draw you up a schematic if you wish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I used to use a heaphone jack splitter to take a passive spit before a two different distortions in parallel, and then have an ABY at the other end. All three sounded fine, even Y when one of the distortions was off, but Y was a bit louder. If you're going to have a buffered input at the start of each chain, why not just make a jack lead with loads of splits off it, plug each split into a seperate chain, put a volume pedal on the end of each chain and then plug the outs from the volume pedals into a little mixer, or maybe just another jack lead with loads of splits on it. This way you can select each chain with the volume pedal, and level them out if needs be by fine tuning the volume pedals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanOwens Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 TBH i was thinking of doing something similar to the multiple chain->volume pedals. its an expensive experiment though! Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 How many channels do you want? You could build a wooden box with some wooden treadles and wire it up with some volume pots. It might work out cheaper, although I reckon you can get volume pedals for £15 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanOwens Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 I must admit, i am tempted to do at least the midi and audio on volume pedals. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Since the OC-2 discussion earlier I've been thinking maybe a little mixer would be handy. That way I could have four parallel FX chains but also the possibility of feeding them into each other, creating feedback loops, etc. But it would mean having a little mixer plus some custom stomp switches taking up half my board. Not entirely practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanOwens Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 So just to resurrect this, if I'm coming out of my tuner pedal, I could just use a Y-Cable? Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I think the first pedal in both chains could do with a buffer as well, but yeh, it should work to split your signal for the input but you will still need something to blend the outputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanOwens Posted March 27, 2009 Author Share Posted March 27, 2009 For the DnB band i need complex sounds. we had a meeting this week and me and the synth player were discussing this (hence me bringing it up again). i thought maybe i could buy a multi-channel splitter, but looking at it i'm stuck with $1000 devices like the Radial JD7. The guy that owns the studio we use is a whizz with a soldering iron (we use lots of EQs and compressors from Neve designs). I could probably convince him to build me something but i'd like to try it out first. so maybe i should think about tuner - 3 strand splitter cable - boss pedals at the start of the chain (non-TBP) - volume pedals - passive mixer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I think lots of volume pedals connected at the other end with a 3 strand splitter cable could work as a mixer. Not 100% sure though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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