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Who knows about capacitors then?

I have installed some barts on my MIM Jazz and it sounds awful. The capacitor reads “503 100v” whatever that means, but Bartolini advise a 0.022 to 0.047 mfd capacitor……..whatever that means. I assume the tragic mid honky noise is due to this as the wiring is spot on the the pots are fully functional.

Any help will be repaid with a “thankyou”.

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It still sounds bad. The only thing I have done different is earth the bridge pickup directly to the bridge control pot whereas it used to be earthed under the bridge pickup to the body and then a link wire to the bridge control pot. I may have double earthed it?

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Heres the blighter.

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Desolder one leg of the capacitor. See how the bass sounds without capacitor. (This is taking Beer of the Bass advice a step further). If it sounds ok then capacitor is wrong value. If bad sound then problem elsewhere. Where are you based - you might find someone on BC who will take a look / get soldering iron out as a favour.

Do you still have earth to bridge wire? essential unless running pickups such as EMGs.

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The value of the capacitor as noted only really has much effect as you turn down the tone control, lower value capacitors (such as the .022mfd) will cut the treble less when the tone control is fully closed, as you increase the value of a capacitor (up to .047mfd) then more treble gets cut when the tone control is fully closed. The tolerance of a .047mfd might bring it close to .05mfd and vice versa so there's probably little point in worrying about that. One thing you haven't mentioned is whether there are any metal earthing plates under the pickups (I assume there were from your description of how it was earthed). Apparently these can affect the tone from bass pickups (they're regularly found under split Precision pickups) and your new Barts might not need any (or be adversely affected by the presence of earthing plates - you might need to ask Bartolini for advice) so that might be your next move. If the plates are there still earth them and make sure all your earthing connections are sound (but as I say the plates might not be needed).

Another thing, check what value pots are needed for the Barts... do they recommend 250K or 500K pots?

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There is an earth (if that what you mean by earthing plate) which is under the bridge pup. This is the one that I have bypassed and directly earthed the bridge pup onto the bridge pot. This earth is still connected to the pot. I guess this is the problem.

So, a capacitor doesn't boost any signal then?

I am okay with soldering, I will keep it running as I await advice!!

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Do both pickups sound rubbish on their own? How about when they are both on together?
If you have a multimeter, try measuring the DC resistance - to make sure it's close to the specified value. This is much more applicable if only one sounds duff!
Also - could you share a picture of all three pots?

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This is the wiring now. As it came.

Red is a body earth.

Green is live neck pup on neck pot terminal 2 and earthed on bridge pot.

Purple is bridge pup earth.

Blue is bridge pup live on terminal 2.

Yellow is bridge pup earth which comes from the pup to the body earth and then to the tone pot.



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Is there anything connected to the middle lug of the neck volume pot? Doesn't look like it, but might just be the camera angle.

How it should be.... Check this is how it is!

Each pickup should have two wires, typically black and white. The whites go to the middle lug of each volume control. The blacks go to any earth point - typically the casing of the volume control. There is also a black wire that runs from the underside of your bridge to earth. Again, doesn't really matter where.

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May just be how they sound if you're sure all wiring is correct.
You can wire a pickup directly to the jack socket to eliminate all other wiring issues if you are in doubt - just as a test. If they sound the same, then that's their tone!
Perhaps post a sound clip here?

My own experience - I have Fender Custom Shop 60's pickups in my Jazz. They are supposed to be overwound and high output, but compared to the stock pickups on my MIM Precision, they are pretty quiet. My active Ibanez is probably somewhere in the middle.

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