iconic Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 So an A#5 chord....to me that means: 1/ an A# chord with a 5th...but I'm already assuming it's got a regular 5th, it's not diminished or augmented....so why the '5' tagged on the end? ...I've 'come' across this in Duran's Come Undone.... COME UNDONE C5 A#5 G#m A#5 Mine immaculate dream made breath and skin I've been waiting for you C5 A#5 G#5 A#5 Signed with a home tattoo happy birthday to you was created for ya C5 A#5 Can't ever keep from falling apart at the seams G#5 A#5 Can't I believe you're taking my heart too pieces C5 A#5 G#5 A#5 Oh, it'll take a little time might take a little crime to come undone now Fm G# A#5 Gm We'll try to stay blind to the hope and fear outside Fm G# A#5 Gm C5 Hey child stay wilder than the wind and blow me in to cry A#5 G#5 A#5 C5 Who do you need who do you love when you come undone A#5 G#5 A#5 C5 Who do you need who do you love when you come undone [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttw3WjJUkdU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttw3WjJUkdU[/url] any help welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Can't listen to it here but do they mean A7#5 as opposed to Bb5? In all my years, I have never seen a chord listed as X5 so A#5 looks to me to be an incorrectly labelled A7#5 as opposed to an A# chord with a 5 (as major and minor chords all have a 5, it is ambiguous. Unless it is just a power chord root, five, octave? But even they tend to get labelled major or minor in terms of their implied status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 [quote name='iconic' timestamp='1387470442' post='2312383']...any help welcome[/quote] Try this..? [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_chord"]Power chords...[/url] Essentially, a '5' chord is [i]only [/i]the root and its 5th. One can't feel major nor minor, as there's no 3rd. Used extensively in rock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbayne Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yes, It would appear to be a power chord. As stated above, these are just root fifth and octave and are neither major or minor. We do a version of Smoke On The Water which is G Minor to F in the verses, but the guitars just play the power chords while the bass plays a G Minor pentatonic. It caught me out the first time we did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) Ohh, power chords....be jesus most of that wiki bit went over my head....I don't know why but I always associate these with heavy metal....not sure why....but that isn't a chord is it, if 3 notes are a [i][b]tritone[/b][/i] that make a chord then a power chord would be more a power '[b][i]bitone' [/i][/b] Edited December 19, 2013 by iconic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huge Hands Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) I am no theory expert at all, but does it not mean A major wiith a sharpened 5th? Not saying that is the correct way to write it, but most guitarists I've met scribble down A minor as Amin, but A major as just A, so might have just added the #5 as an extra on the end? Edited December 19, 2013 by Huge Hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 I know what you mean, but the chord is A#, sounds good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Again, from our old friend Wikipedia... [quote] ... Two-note combinations, whether referred to as chords or intervals, are called [i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyad_%28music%29"]dyads[/url][/i]. Chords constructed of three notes of some underlying [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_scale"]scale[/url] are described as [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triad_%28music%29"]triads[/url]. Chords of four notes are known as [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrad_%28music%29"]tetrads[/url], those containing five are called [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentachord"]pentads[/url] and those using six are hexads. Sometimes the terms "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichord"]trichord[/url]", "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrachord"]tetrachord[/url]", "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentachord"]pentachord[/url]" and "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexachord"]hexachord[/url]" are used, though these more usually refer to the pitch classes of any scale, not generally played simultaneously. Chords that may contain more than three notes include [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_point"]pedal point[/url] chords, [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_seventh_chord"]dominant seventh chords[/url], extended chords, added tone chords, [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_cluster"]clusters[/url], and polychords. ...[/quote] The term 'power chord' is really only a 'loose' term, used by guitarists, mostly, and therefore of little academic value... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paul_5 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Called "power chords" because, well, guitarists have to compensate somehow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlloyd Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 [quote name='Huge Hands' timestamp='1387471865' post='2312411'] I am no theory expert at all, but does it not mean A major wiith a sharpened 5th? Not saying that is the correct way to write it, but most guitarists I've met scribble down A minor as Amin, but A major as just A, so might have just added the #5 as an extra on the end? [/quote] A major triad with the fifth replaced with a #5 = A aug. An added #5 on top of the major triad would be odd, but would be A add#5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlloyd Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 [quote name='iconic' timestamp='1387471733' post='2312407'] Ohh, power chords....be jesus most of that wiki bit went over my head....I don't know why but I always associate these with heavy metal....not sure why....but that isn't a chord is it, if 3 notes are a [i][b]tritone[/b][/i] that make a chord then a power chord would be more a power '[b][i]bitone' [/i][/b] [/quote] A tritone is a root-b5 interval (or root-#4).. So called because it is 6 semitones away (3 tones). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 I found this for A5, too. Not sure if it helps... [attachment=150715:A5.jpg] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) Edited December 19, 2013 by iconic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 "A tritone is a root-b5 interval (or root-#4).. So called because it is 6 semitones away (3 tones). " thanks for correcting...I'm I read that in bass for Dummies book....should of bought the version for dyslexic's me like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 Triad's what i should of said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB26354 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Sounds like Cm, Bb, Ab, harmonically. The bass is clearly playing Eb over the C, but it is more ambiguous from the keys and guitar. Even if all 3 chords were power chords they'd be written C5, Bb5, Ab5 because the implied feel is C minor. Why use A#5, which is A# and E#? Much easier to read and write Bb5 (Bb and F) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bassman7755 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Its "no 3rd" chords, read A#5 as Bb5 if that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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