aLxbass Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) So today arriving at rehearsals i notice my guitarist went out and invested in some pretty hot amp gear which is amazingly loud. So i am kinda wanting to knock him back down a peg or two by trading this amazing amp for its big bro. The lh1000. Would consider a straight sale to fund for the lh1000 also. Pick up only. Wv12 area Alex Edited August 23, 2013 by aLxbass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) if you were closer id be over with the beer tokens in my sweaty paws apologies if teaching to suck eggs but have you tried a second cab? most guitairist will look at a single 4x10 with a 'meh' look of contempt and just turn up a bit more but when they see two 4x10's its visually much more intimidating the second cab pulls the full power rating from the amp and iy will be noticeably louder - i only use hartke2500 head at moment and with single cab it copes ok with pub gigs (unless guitarist keeps turning up of course) - but add an extra cab and it becomes a trouser flapping monster! Edited August 24, 2013 by steve-bbb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLxbass Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 In rehearsals i do only use the one ashdown cab provided by the studio thats rated at 450w. I own two hydrive 410s. It may be a ball ach but i was consider dragging along one of my cabs to add to it but last night i have everything turned up full. And i mean everything! And his bloody guitar amp was destroying me haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbowskill Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Christ! can you hear the drum kit through all that? :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clashcityrocker Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 You need to swap your 2 hydrive 410s for my hydrive 810 ;-) But seriously,adding another cab to the situation would make the guitarist notice,I've played gigs in 400 capacity places,with with lh1000 turn just past 2 on the volume knob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLxbass Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 if only it wasnt so big! haha. ill add one of my cabs in on next rehearsal see how it goes. we are not gigging at the moment we are prepping towards it, hence his new amp. so i havnt yet tested my two hydrives to their full in a gig situation as i havent had them that long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornybank Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 500w into 8 10s @ 4ohms will be plenty. The Ashdown @ 8ohms is a) less efficient than the hydrives and 'only' working the amp @ 375w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLxbass Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 these talks of ohms blow my mind! i dont have a clue how it all works, i expect to get a cab, plug in my amp and boom be away with it having my set up.. LH500 & 2 X Hydrive 410 cabs, i thought that this would use the full 500w that my amp has to offer by sending 250w equally to each cab, am i right or am i wrong? Anyway, so... if at rehearsals i add one of my hydrive cabs to the ashdown, will that pull all 500w from my amp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delberthot Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 [quote name='aLxbass' timestamp='1377375800' post='2186936'] these talks of ohms blow my mind! i dont have a clue how it all works, i expect to get a cab, plug in my amp and boom be away with it having my set up.. LH500 & 2 X Hydrive 410 cabs, i thought that this would use the full 500w that my amp has to offer by sending 250w equally to each cab, am i right or am i wrong? Anyway, so... if at rehearsals i add one of my hydrive cabs to the ashdown, will that pull all 500w from my amp? [/quote] Yes you're absolutely right. If you can't hear yourself with 8x10" speakers then you need to tell your guitarists to calm the hell down. I easily overpowered two of the loudest guitarists I'd ever come across with a GK 7000RB II (480w) and two Ashdown Mag cabs. MAG I tells ya If you think you need 8x10"s for rehearsals then you need a new band cos that's bloody silly. A single 4x10 and 350w from my Ampeg is more than enough with twin guitarists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clashcityrocker Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Guitarists eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delberthot Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 [quote name='clashcityrocker' timestamp='1377380848' post='2187002'] Guitarists eh [/quote]Cant live with them, Can't tell them to bugger off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulieaudiobloom Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Maybe more watts isn't the solution . . . My LH500 easily keeps up with two heavy guitarists and drummer who clubs seals in his spare time! Try adjusting your EQ, maybe your frequencies are clashing and you're not cutting through. Guitarists will always be louder (sadly) we just have to work around them ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLxbass Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share Posted August 25, 2013 To be honest.. he wasnt like crazily loud compared to a casual rehearsal. You could still hear the drums and vocals easily. Its just that i felt i couldnt give anymore. Even though i turned up quite abit more then usual.. i didnt feel the difference. Even my band mates said i was as loud as i was playing full then i was the previous week playing a like 6. So im not to sure. Maybe the cab could be packing up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clashcityrocker Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Rehearsals kit has a habit of being crap so I would take a 410 with you next time just to test it,the hydrive are 1000w so you won't damage it,just give it some beans and I'm sure you will be happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblin Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Second cab and turn up a bit, that's absolutely ridiculous that it won't keep up. I've been doing outdoor gigs this weekend with my LH1000, and yesterday at one of them the sound engineer asked me to turn down, which was entirely fair enough as I knew it was a bit loud... it was turned up to 3! As others have said, if the 500 won't keep up at rehearsal levels, you need a new band. My rehearsal amp is a Superfly and the 2x10, I'd be lucky to see 200 watts out of that at 8ohms and it's fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudpup Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 This sounds like a classic case of "not figuring out the Hartke LH500/1000 eq section" syndrome. Turn the mid right up full, stick the bass and treble between 12 o'clock and 4 o'clock to taste and see what happens. If youre running the mid much below that you are introducing a mid scoop which will result in perceived volume loss. Just search this forum for LH500 and you'll see its a common thing - its just a slightly different sort of eq that isnt immediately obvious. I had a similar response when i tried my first one in a shop. Now i own one and its a fantastic and loud amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6v6 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 [quote name='aLxbass' timestamp='1377374317' post='2186919'] ill add one of my cabs in on next rehearsal see how it goes. we are not gigging at the moment we are prepping towards it, hence his new amp. so i havnt yet tested my two hydrives to their full in a gig situation as i havent had them that long [/quote] Seriously, consider the venues you will be playing - if you think you need a 1000w amp and an 8x10 for pub/club gigs, you really, really don't. Bigger venues you'll be going through the PA, so you still don't need a rig that big IMHO. Sounds to me like your guitarist should've bought a smaller amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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