Dingus Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Myke' timestamp='1364756044' post='2030511'] I much prefer the second ones version of Man in the Mirror. Edit: This One! [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkByUopmc7M"]https://www.youtube....h?v=qkByUopmc7M[/url] [/quote] Yes , like that one better , too . Edited March 31, 2013 by Dingus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whynot Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Mark King is not to my taste either, much prefer Marcus if I have to listen to slap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='whynot' timestamp='1364758275' post='2030574'] Mark King is not to my taste either, much prefer Marcus if I have to listen to slap. [/quote] That's what I said . It was carnage ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 The guy playing six string in the second clip is clearly a very , very capable player . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowender Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) [quote name='whynot' timestamp='1364758275' post='2030574'] Mark King is not to my taste either, much prefer Marcus if I have to listen to slap. [/quote] And I find Marcus to be repetitive. He plays a great groove but it's the same groove in 3 different tempos in 3 different keys. Go figure. No one is beyond criticism. But it's nice to just appreciate people making art. Edited March 31, 2013 by Lowender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-soar Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='risingson' timestamp='1364751981' post='2030425'] Fair enough that you like them! The first video made me so upset that I had to stop 22 seconds in, almost immediately I had to put on the original record to remind myself why no one should ever try to tap it out on a bass and why it is such a brilliant standalone Macca track (can't improve on a masterpiece, just IMO). The second I was pretty indifferent to, fair enough if people like it, it wasn't offensive but it is times like that I would personally reach for a guitar as I don't bass fills the role even half as well. [/quote]1st vid made me turn off at 7 secs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1364758244' post='2030572'] Yes , like that one better , too . [/quote] He says he was trying to sound like the piano in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowender Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='skidder652003' timestamp='1364755302' post='2030491'] oh dear... that makes for great evidence that bass should always be used in a band context! [/quote] That made me curious, so I found examples of each of them in a band context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtczqxkUUns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLJbYjVO388&list=UUICoLVS4cEm9cAPwGfYrrJw&index=14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Strings Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 The solo chap is clearly very capable but, for me, it is very dull to listen to. Its interesting in a [i]'he's doing that on a bass'[/i] sort of way. Novelty wears off quickly for me. Even the drummer sounds bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 It doesn't sound good to me. It sounds more like a bassist showing off just how good they are at playing bass rather than showing off how good they are at music. I watched a Scott Devine video recently where he said he didn't like teaching slap because people get stuck there, and don't learn how to play harmonically. In my personal opinion, a lot of solo bass players go too far the other way. I don't find much interesting about a bass on its own, but within the context of a band, a good bassline is a fantastic thing, outside of a band, it's just a guy playing a bass, and nobody is really interesting in that, not even most bassists, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1364761226' post='2030647'] It doesn't sound good to me. It sounds more like a bassist showing off just how good they are at playing bass rather than showing off how good they are at music.[/quote] That's what I thought when I watched this........ but being from a music show I was maybe put off by the bloke next to him trying out a drum kit & playing a different tune. [quote name='Faithless' timestamp='1363479393' post='2013305'] Well, Feraud, according to the Mr. Jeff Berlin, is, at the moment, the cleanest & fastest player around, to which I certainly agree: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9jDF01V7DE[/media][/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='risingson' timestamp='1364751981' post='2030425'] Fair enough that you like them! The first video made me so upset that I had to stop 22 seconds in, almost immediately I had to put on the original record to remind myself why no one should ever try to tap it out on a bass and why it is such a brilliant standalone Macca track (can't improve on a masterpiece, just IMO). The second I was pretty indifferent to, fair enough if people like it, it wasn't offensive but it is times like that I would personally reach for a guitar as I don't bass fills the role even half as well. [/quote]this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1364761691' post='2030656'] That's what I thought when I watched this........ but being from a music show I was maybe put off by the bloke next to him trying out a drum kit & playing a different tune. [/quote] That's why i don't like jazz. You can literally play whatever the f*** you want, and it's alright. You'll get approval from the jazz fans. Made a mistake? Make it again so it looks like you did it on purpose - More approval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Strings Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1364762029' post='2030664'] That's why i don't like jazz. You can literally play whatever the f*** you want, and it's alright. You'll get approval from the jazz fans. Made a mistake? Make it again so it looks like you did it on purpose - More approval. [/quote] I don't really understand jazz, but I understand enough to know this isn't true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='4 Strings' timestamp='1364762152' post='2030666'] I don't really understand jazz, but I understand enough to know this isn't true. [/quote] What part isn't true? Some of it is exaggeration. But i know that if a jazz musician makes a mistake when improvising, they will just repeat it in a "Yeah, i meant to do that" kind of way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetheglitz Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Definition of jazz - they all play together and it sounds so bad they each do a solo to prove it's not their fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Strings Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Going rather off the original subject here, but as I mentioned Jaco earlier, if you're doubling up with the likes of Joe Zawinal and Wayne Shorter you do not have any space for mistakes. These guys absolutely know their stuff and there are no short cuts to being able to play like this. You'll notice how the bass and keys are doubling with what may to some sound like random notes. http://youtu.be/I63bOi477cA I've played with a couple of jazz players, did this morning with this chap: http://www.andrewnoble.org/default.html He's a phenomenal musician and there's absolutely nothing that goes unintentionally. I certainly can't keep with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whynot Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1364758532' post='2030580'] And I find Marcus to be repetitive. He plays a great groove but it's the same groove in 3 different tempos in 3 different keys. Go figure. No one is beyond criticism. But it's nice to just appreciate people making art. [/quote] Yep, we all have an opinion and most importantly we should be able to appreciate someone's ability even if not to our own taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='4 Strings' timestamp='1364763316' post='2030690'] I've played with a couple of jazz players, did this morning with this chap: [url="http://www.andrewnoble.org/default.html"]http://www.andrewnob...rg/default.html[/url] He's a phenomenal musician and there's absolutely nothing that goes unintentionally. I certainly can't keep with him. [/quote] But how would you know? He would just make it seem like it wasn't a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-soar Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='Davetheglitz' timestamp='1364763217' post='2030684'] Definition of jazz - they all play together and it sounds so bad they each do a solo to prove it's not their fault! [/quote]Are you a music writer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I've heard this a few times........ [quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1364762029' post='2030664']Made a mistake? Make it again so it looks like you did it on purpose - More approval.[/quote] ........ and this....... [quote name='Davetheglitz' timestamp='1364763217' post='2030684'] Definition of jazz - they all play together and it sounds so bad they each do a solo to prove it's not their fault![/quote] ........ and always had them down as jokes rather than any kind of actual fact or anything near it; same as drummer jokes - it must be a pi**er being a jazz drummer then. My own fave is "definition of a jazz band? Five blokes playing five different tunes in a race to see who can finish first". I'm in the "bass isn't really a solo instrument camp, but I do appreciate demonstrations of playing ability on any instrument if it is actually entertaining & enjoyable, not overlong & if on a bass -[i] sounds[/i] like a bass - & not an accident in a piano wire factory (ie slap). I was reliably informed by the drummer on this track that it was done in one take - personally I like overdriven bass sounds........ [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ZL77mwgho[/media] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1364764430' post='2030711'] I've heard this a few times........ ........ and this....... ........ and always had them down as jokes rather than any kind of actual fact or anything near it; same as drummer jokes - it must be a pi**er being a jazz drummer then. My own fave is "definition of a jazz band? Five blokes playing five different tunes in a race to see who can finish first". I'm in the "bass isn't really a solo instrument camp, but I do appreciate demonstrations of playing ability on any instrument if it is actually entertaining & enjoyable, not overlong & if on a bass -[i] sounds[/i] like a bass - & not an accident in a piano wire factory (ie slap). I was reliably informed by the drummer on this track that it was done in one take - personally I like overdriven bass sounds........ [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ZL77mwgho[/media] [/quote] I was told this in all seriousness by a friend who studied jazz at a music college. He wasn't taking the piss, he was teaching a group of us some improv techniques. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatboter Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Nice cover and love the bass... [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRk-1fc1_-Q&feature=youtu.be"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRk-1fc1_-Q&feature=youtu.be[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Strings Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1364763555' post='2030695'] But how would you know? He would just make it seem like it wasn't a mistake. [/quote] Ok, you win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krysh Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 [quote name='wombatboter' timestamp='1364765876' post='2030742'] Nice cover and love the bass... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRk-1fc1_-Q&feature=youtu.be[/media] [/quote] right, this is what I call musical, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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