andydye Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 So, I've got a wedding evening do gig this July and it's in a marquee, I've played in marquees before but always with the BBC outdoor rig so power has been sorted for me...this time however it's a bit more hotch potch... I'm presuming there'll be a generator involved so does that mean I'll need a power conditioner to smooth out / clean up the power so it won't hurt my amp / my mates guitar amp? If so, what kind of thing would I need? I've heard of Furman who seem to be 'the one'...but which one? ...and... Does anyone in Sheffield have one I could borrow in July please? Ta BC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertbass Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 The power conditioner won't do a lot except tell you what the voltage is or more likely what it isn't. If you have to use a generator, the best bet is is to make sure that your equipment is the only thing running off of it even then it may not give enough power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Are you certain there's a generator involved? I've played quite a few outdoor gigs in marquees, but they were never in the middle of nowhere and we've always had mains power laid on. I'm not saying that's always the case, but it's certainly worth checking if you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) If it is a generator, it's a voltage regulator or inverter you'll need, not a power conditioner. A good generator will utilise an AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulator). Edited March 4, 2013 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydye Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 [quote name='bertbass' timestamp='1362417545' post='1999375'] The power conditioner won't do a lot except tell you what the voltage is or more likely what it isn't. If you have to use a generator, the best bet is is to make sure that your equipment is the only thing running off of it even then it may not give enough power. [/quote] [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1362425403' post='1999617'] If it is a generator, it's a voltage regulator or inverter you'll need, not a power conditioner. A [i]good generator[/i] will utilise an AVR (Automatic Voltage Regulator). [/quote] So, what you're saying is....there's nothing we can do about the quality or consistency of the power if it's a genny and it's best to take some solid state amp rather than something valvey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertbass Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) If the Generator is bad enough, even SS amps won't work or just sound horribly distorted. Been there and done that more than once, that's how I know. If the generator is man enough though you'll have no problems. Edited March 7, 2013 by bertbass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Strings Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Don't need anything, so long as the generator has enough guts. We've done plenty of gigs with the whole backline and vocal pa coming off a single 13A plug so if it can do 13A (or 3-4kW) you should be fine. It will probably give out 5 times that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydye Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 Ah, thanks guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuzz Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Played a bike rally last year where every single electrical item was run off one generator. It still worked! But cut out twice during our set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman Steve Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Cautionery tale. Many years ago I played at an outdoor gig and we were supplied with a nice thick long cable run from the house. We soundchecked and all was well. I then remembered that I hadn't plugged in my circuit breaker plug. When I plugged it in, it tripped immediately and did so every time I reset it. Turned out there was no earth at all. I never play anywhere without making sure I'm using one of those plugs. Those of us who sang and played in the band hadn't the time to soundcheck with vocals or I shudder to think what might have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 We've been using these for some time now - [url="http://www.soundsliveshop.com/p/Samson_Powerbrite_PB10_Pro_Power_Conditioner/SAM-PB10PRO?CAWELAID=1830892792&catargetid=1820282893&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CKeR9K2s77UCFcrHtAodAX4AQg"]http://www.soundsliveshop.com/p/Samson_Powerbrite_PB10_Pro_Power_Conditioner/SAM-PB10PRO?CAWELAID=1830892792&catargetid=1820282893&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CKeR9K2s77UCFcrHtAodAX4AQg[/url] We play a lot of old country retreats/castles.... the power is always hit and miss.... these really do work in terms of spike filtering... although if the power supply is low there is not a lot you can do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) I've posted this before but I think it bears repeating here: http://www.maplin.co.uk/mains-socket-tester-9800 Edited March 9, 2013 by flyfisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluRay Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 [quote name='andydye' timestamp='1362412937' post='1999240'] So, I've got a wedding evening do gig this July and it's in a marquee, I've played in marquees before but always with the BBC outdoor rig so power has been sorted for me...this time however it's a bit more hotch potch... I'm presuming there'll be a generator involved so does that mean I'll need a power conditioner to smooth out / clean up the power so it won't hurt my amp / my mates guitar amp? If so, what kind of thing would I need? I've heard of Furman who seem to be 'the one'...but which one? ...and... Does anyone in Sheffield have one I could borrow in July please? Ta BC [/quote] [size=4]I'm in Sheffield and can lend you a sampson power conditioner if you'd be happier using one. It does [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]surge protection, peak voltage clamping (whatever that is) and - most importantly - looks cool. [/font]The general advice seems to be its not necessary (I only use mine as a rack light and power hub to be honest) - but I'd definately get a trip switch if nothing else.[/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Strings Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 [quote name='Bassman Steve' timestamp='1362821671' post='2005138'] Cautionery tale. Many years ago I played at an outdoor gig and we were supplied with a nice thick long cable run from the house. We soundchecked and all was well. I then remembered that I hadn't plugged in my circuit breaker plug. When I plugged it in, it tripped immediately and did so every time I reset it. Turned out there was no earth at all. I never play anywhere without making sure I'm using one of those plugs. Those of us who sang and played in the band hadn't the time to soundcheck with vocals or I shudder to think what might have happened. [/quote] Most amps carry an earth lift to disconnect it and prevent hum. I remember taking the earth connection off amp leads and leaving it sticking out the plug so it was obvious which plug had an earth and which didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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