Evil Undead Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 It gives this as A 7th Sus. [IMG]http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a407/ImaginaryEvil/Snapbucket/3083D525.jpg[/IMG] Except there's no C in that chart that I can see. And it gives this as an A minor 7 [IMG]http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a407/ImaginaryEvil/Snapbucket/31279E94.jpg[/IMG] Now I'm no theory buff, but how can a minor 7 and a sus. 7th have exactly the same notes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdowner Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 They're not quite the same though - the second chart has no open G string, and a C (a it should for a minor) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdowner Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 On the 'sus' isn't the third (the C#) dropped and replaced by a D - that's what 'sus' means? which means the first chart is right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Undead Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 Yeah but above the chart it says ACEG on both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdowner Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 well that's weird then! the sus7 should be A-D-E-G and the minor 7 A-C-E-G... so they should also have the open G on both, and there's a missing E on the second (?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Undead Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 I know. I've also found another two errors. FFS - I'm trying to learn this stuff and having a chord chart that's full of sh*t isn't helping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB26354 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 They both look meaningless to me. The charts look like a combination of scale and chord tones but what does the A-C-E-G above each mean? And at what fret is each tone meant to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdowner Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Actually, it clearly *is* helping because you're not going to forget sus7 and minor7 differences are you? (every cloud has a silver lining)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romberg Bevel Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 What instrument is this for? Where did you get the chart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 [quote name='Romberg Bevel' timestamp='1344967049' post='1771796'] What instrument is this for? Where did you get the chart? [/quote] I think it's a harmonium chart from India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Undead Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 [quote name='Romberg Bevel' timestamp='1344967049' post='1771796'] What instrument is this for? Where did you get the chart? [/quote] It's meant to be for bass. it's this one http://images.esellerpro.com/2378/I/236/64/acatalog_Bass-Guitar-Chords-Chart-X.JPG [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1344967146' post='1771799'] I think it's a harmonium chart from India. [/quote] I lol'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romberg Bevel Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 [quote name='Evil Undead' timestamp='1344967391' post='1771805'] It's meant to be for bass. it's this one [url="http://images.esellerpro.com/2378/I/236/64/acatalog_Bass-Guitar-Chords-Chart-X.JPG"]http://images.eselle...rds-Chart-X.JPG[/url] I lol'd [/quote] They've labelled the chord tones for the sus7 wrong - the fretboard notes look right. If it is a harmonium chart I suspect it's correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 the single best bass chords book I've found is this one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chord-Bassics-Compact-Reference-Library/dp/0825610583 By mucho respected player Jonas Hellborg. Really easy to follow diagrams and a logical layout. £3.83 on Amazon. If you don't find it useful I'll reimburse you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musophilr Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 [quote name='Evil Undead' timestamp='1344966861' post='1771788'] I know. I've also found another two errors. FFS - I'm trying to learn this stuff and having a chord chart that's full of sh*t isn't helping [/quote] Why not go with the music theory instead of pictures? You can work out your own fingerings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Undead Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 [quote name='musophilr' timestamp='1344969542' post='1771850'] Why not go with the music theory instead of pictures? You can work out your own fingerings [/quote] I try. But I really struggle with theory. I had a teacher for a while but I just couldn't afford it any more. I've got the Bass Guitar for dummies book and even that got too complicated - I must be a real dumbass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I've had that Jonas Helborg book for over 10 years and still not mastered a single chord! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 [quote name='paul_5' timestamp='1344969381' post='1771848'] the single best bass chords book I've found is this one: [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chord-Bassics-Compact-Reference-Library/dp/0825610583"]http://www.amazon.co...y/dp/0825610583[/url] By mucho respected player Jonas Hellborg. Really easy to follow diagrams and a logical layout. £3.83 on Amazon. If you don't find it useful I'll reimburse you! [/quote] 'ello again.. Mmmm nice cuppa... Anyway, YES! I have this book. It's brilliant and fits in a guitar case. Jonas once gave me a personal demo of his crazy bass rig and equally crazy bass chops. Nice chap lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 [quote name='KevB' timestamp='1344973757' post='1771948'] I've had that Jonas Helborg book for over 10 years and still not mastered a single chord! [/quote] don't think, feeeeeeeel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB26354 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 [quote name='Evil Undead' timestamp='1344967391' post='1771805'] It's meant to be for bass. it's this one http://images.esellerpro.com/2378/I/236/64/acatalog_Bass-Guitar-Chords-Chart-X.JPG I lol'd [/quote] Ah. So Asus7 is A-D-E-G, not A-C-E-G, although the chart is right, and A min7 is A-C-E-G. In those diagrams the clear square is the root note or octave (in the case above, A) and the remaining black dots are the chord tones on each string. What is confusing is that there are the same pitches on different strings. For example, the octave A is on the D string at the 7th fret but also on the G string at the 2nd fret. So it is a chord chard showing all the chord tones on each string, apparently up to the 7th fret. Not very well explained in the book and some fret numbers would have been useful. I'd be surprised if it were written by a bass player. You can work this out for yourself as long as you know what the notes of the chord are, and how to find notes on each string. they're just shapes. Far better IMHO to learn the chord tones for one given chord and then go through the cycle of fourths without shifting position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commando Jack Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 The charts are right and there is just one typo on the Asus7 chart. +1 for learning the theory aspect. The memorization of these shapes looks at least as difficult as learning every note on the fretboard and applying the theory to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 As said above, the Asus7 chord should have A-D-E-G (so there's a typo in the list of notes) but the chart is correct. The Amin7 chord should be A-C-E-G (so the list of notes is correct), but there's a typo in the chart, because open D isn't part of the chord. That black dot should be on the G-string instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenitram Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 I was about to say, and this is coming from someone with no knowledge of anything at all and very much a beginner on bass, wouldn't it be easier to learn what notes are in the chords you want to play (or what chords are formed by the notes you want to play), and then just putting your fingers on those notes? Is that not how one usually learns with bass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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