stingrayPete1977 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='Jazzneck' post='1260135' date='Jun 7 2011, 07:34 PM']Here's a real 1982 Stingray with a rosewood board - I'll let the experts decide. M.[/quote] Before you double bluff me that could be a genuine neck with a very well fitted board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='Jean-Luc Pickguard' post='1260170' date='Jun 7 2011, 07:52 PM']Just looked at BB3000S's post on the EBMM forum - One of the moderators over there (who I recognise as an EBMM expert from the dudepit days) has offered to eat any and all actual EBMM parts from the bass. [/quote] Let's hope in has more flavour than my hat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Luc Pickguard Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1260188' date='Jun 7 2011, 08:05 PM']Let's hope in has more flavour than my hat![/quote] The trick is to always wear a tortilla hat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stingrayPete1977 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1259989' date='Jun 7 2011, 05:48 PM']OK lets clear this up Pre EB or EBMM Fails, A- Pre EB fretboards have [b]no fret marker at the 21st fret [/b]FAIL B- Fretted pre EB's are maple with very few rosewoods known unless fretless FAIL C-Pre EB necks have a skunkstripe FAIL D-The string tree is across the wrong strings FAIL E-The fret markers are way to small for any era of Ray FAIL F- The tuning pegs are too small for any era of neck FAIL G- The tip of the headstock is far too blunt for either version FAIL H- No bullet truss rod FAIL J- No gloss finish on the neck FAIL K- Wrong profile of neck FAIL L- Wrong heel on neck FAIL M- The logo is in the wrong place for either early (Level with the G tuner bezel) or later (Lower down like the ebay one but level with the headstock edge not sloped)FAIL N- It would have proper jumbo vintage frets with flat tops FAIL EB only Fails, A- It has no wheel of fortune at the heel end if its as new as it looks 1990 ish or newer FAIL B-The logo is wrong as thats for a pre EB and almost certainly fake too FAIL C- No decal on the rear of the headstock FAIL[/quote] Top and bottom until I think of any more infact this may of inspired me to do a full A-Z of pre EB Rays for this reason in future, I might need another alphabet for the body though! Edited June 7, 2011 by stingrayPete1977 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='ficelles' post='1259216' date='Jun 7 2011, 01:03 AM']Ok kiddo, this seller happens to be a close friend and he ain't lyin' re the neck info. You want to talk about it, maybe come and see me.[/quote] Ok big guy, I very much doubt you'd approach anyone in person that way. I suggest you don't take that liberty just because you are behind a computer screen. It doesn't reflect well on you or anything you may say, and who knows, maybe someone would actually go to see you with the same attitude. Playground testosterone apart, the bass may be very nice... but it is clearly not a MusicMan and there are sufficient doubts about the neck too. Your friend may have been ripped off. That sucks. But that bass could never be advertised as a MM Stingray. A couple of my OLPs are delicious, but if I sell them I would not say they're Stingrays, because they're not. That is really the bottomline. You can understand how the seller may be looked at with suspicion at the very least, when everyday there are blatant rip-offs on eBay. So thank you for participating and clarifying some points. I sympathise with your friend if the first time he heard about his bass not being a MM was through this thread. Seriously. But please, nxt time leave John Wayne at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzneck Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1260184' date='Jun 7 2011, 08:03 PM']Before you double bluff me that could be a genuine neck with a very well fitted board.[/quote] Hi Pete - Truss Rod replying (can I change my name from jazzneck now?). No, not a double bluff - it is real and it is sitting beside me as I type. The body and all hardware including electrics are all original 2nd April 1980. The neck is a genuine MM dated 6th April 1982. Is it a replacement or did someone screw up with the date stamp at the factory? If anyone out there knows any more about this one's history I would love to know. M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='Jazzneck' post='1260209' date='Jun 7 2011, 08:21 PM']Hi Pete - Truss Rod replying (can I change my name from jazzneck now?). No, not a double bluff - it is real and it is sitting beside me as I type. The body and all hardware including electrics are all original 2nd April 1980. The neck is a genuine MM dated 6th April 1982. Is it a replacement or did someone screw up with the date stamp at the factory? If anyone out there knows any more about this one's history I would love to know. M.[/quote] Well I'm afraid you get a slap on the wrists for it not being in my pre EB porn thread! Let's see more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) [quote name='ficelles' post='1259594' date='Jun 7 2011, 12:51 PM']There are several thousand musical instrument listings that need to be reported then! I particularly hate the "Gibson Les Paul by TangleVintage" style usage. Martin's ad title is clear - it's a [u]copy[/u] of a MusicMan Stingray. You can't identify the original without using the brand name in this instance. Anyway I am seeing him later so will offer (in the event that it doesn't sell) to take the thing apart and post detailed pics in here. Assuming he hasn't got totally put off by all the b/s re this listing and burnt it. ficelles[/quote] I'd take good pictures, detailed, and take them to the EBMM forum. You'll get a good response there. If it were indeed a pre-EB Stingray neck, albeit modified, it would sell (on eBay, or HERE) for a better price than your friend thinks. The title only needs to say "Stingray copy", without the MusicMan bit... adding MusicMan seems only designed to attract searches for MusicMan and to gain from association. Not cool. I agree there are many other listings that should be changed... but the fact that others do wrong is not a license to do wrong again here, contrary to what you seem to imply. Wake up. It's really simple. If it were my bass and it had elicited this response, I'd have seriously looked for more info and contacted the EBMM forum etc, rather than closing my eyes and continuing ahead,. especially when the neck could be worth quite a bit *if* real. Unless I knew deep inside I had a nice bass that is however not worth nearly half of what I'm asking for it... see the problem? when someone acts in an odd manner, it makes people think. Edited June 7, 2011 by mcnach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1260161' date='Jun 7 2011, 07:46 PM']Maybe mcnach built it? Oh wait it hasnt got a John East pre amp has it [/quote] Oi!!! (but you're right about the John East ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) For giggles, here's Jazzneck's 82, the kosher one and a 93 to contrast. Personally, I think the lower curve from the nut to the G tuner looks all wrong but, hey, let the internet be the judge. Edited June 7, 2011 by Doctor J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzneck Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1260213' date='Jun 7 2011, 08:25 PM']Well I'm afraid you get a slap on the wrists for it not being in my pre EB porn thread! Let's see more [/quote] Ouch! - Will post tomorrow when the light improves! M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='Jazzneck' post='1260280' date='Jun 7 2011, 09:05 PM']Ouch! - Will post tomorrow when the light improves! M.[/quote] Please do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='Doctor J' post='1260258' date='Jun 7 2011, 08:55 PM']For giggles, here's the kosher one and Jazzneck's 82 to contrast. Personally, the curve from the nut to the G tuner looks all wrong but, hey, let the internet be the judge.[/quote] There is nothing right about it and after speaking via eBay again to the seller it appears he now agrees and is going to look at re wording it later. The fact someone from Germany is interested worries me, Surely they are reading it as a pukka neck as cheap ray copies must be available easy enough over there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='mcnach' post='1260252' date='Jun 7 2011, 08:51 PM']Oi!!! (but you're right about the John East )[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB3000S Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1259989' date='Jun 7 2011, 06:48 PM']OK lets clear this up Pre EB or EBMM Fails, A- Pre EB fretboards have [b]no fret marker at the 21st fret [/b]FAIL B- Fretted pre EB's are maple with very few rosewoods known unless fretless FAIL C-Pre EB necks have a skunkstripe FAIL D-The string tree is across the wrong strings FAIL E-The fret markers are way to small for any era of Ray FAIL F- The tuning pegs are too small for any era of neck FAIL G- The tip of the headstock is far too blunt for either version FAIL H- No bullet truss rod FAIL J- No gloss finish on the neck FAIL K- Wrong profile of neck FAIL L- Wrong heel on neck FAIL M- The logo is in the wrong place for either early (Level with the G tuner bezel) or later (Lower down like the ebay one but level with the headstock edge not sloped)FAIL N- It would have proper jumbo vintage frets with flat tops FAIL EB only Fails, A- It has no wheel of fortune at the heel end if its as new as it looks 1990 ish or newer FAIL B-The logo is wrong as thats for a pre EB and almost certainly fake too FAIL C- No decal on the rear of the headstock FAIL Self styled expert or not its totally fake so get the words "appears to be [b]kosher" [/b]out of the listing or remove it end of arguement mate There is no way EBMM have said that its kosher what they may of said is "we dont know it could be but we didnt make and have no records for pre EB goods" I dare say even the girl in the office at EBMM could tell you why its not right though. Silly threats are one thing but your suggestion of us fellow musicians coming down hard after he got ripped off is out of order whilst it still up there as the neck appears to be kosher IT IS NOT! [b]FYI all of the points I have listed can be confirmed by me by looking at the basses in this room right now and as a self styled expert (Should that go In my sig or not?) I feel im in a pretty good position to comment having every version right here right now?[/b][/quote] Slam dunk, case closed. Dear Sir, you win for commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='ficelles' post='1259216' date='Jun 7 2011, 01:03 AM']You want to talk about it, maybe come and see me.[/quote] [size=5][b]Is there a proablem here?[/b][/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martthebass Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='Doctor J' post='1260258' date='Jun 7 2011, 08:55 PM']For giggles, here's Jazzneck's 82, the kosher one and a 93 to contrast. Personally, I think the lower curve from the nut to the G tuner looks all wrong but, hey, let the internet be the judge.[/quote] Looks like a Jazz width at the nut also.........didn't think they made a pre eb sterling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ficelles Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='Jazzneck' post='1260168' date='Jun 7 2011, 07:51 PM']Please explain - is that a statement, exclamation or a question?[/quote] I'm really not sure, I think maybe I just felt like saying "truss rod" earlier on. Or perhaps it was my evil twin. I don't remember posting that. ficelles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ficelles Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1260296' date='Jun 7 2011, 09:18 PM']There is nothing right about it and after speaking via eBay again to the seller it appears he now agrees and is going to look at re wording it later. The fact someone from Germany is interested worries me, Surely they are reading it as a pukka neck as cheap ray copies must be available easy enough over there?[/quote] I've suggested to Martin that he doesn't ship it to Germany unless he's prepared for it to be sent back. But to clarify - there [u]is[/u] an email from EBMM saying they think the neck looks genuine (I haven't read it so I don't know the exact wording). But it's also clear to me - because actually I do believe the Captain Stingrays in here especially having done some research myself - that they have made a bad call based on insufficient information. ficelles Edited June 7, 2011 by ficelles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ficelles Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='mcnach' post='1260206' date='Jun 7 2011, 08:19 PM']I very much doubt you'd approach anyone in person that way.[/quote] Actually I would. I am almost entirely without fear and have an over-developed sense of justice. Of course I do get my ass kicked quite regularly. ficelles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ficelles Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Now this is an amusing diversion, I've just realised that the old 3" leather strap I have had kicking around since the late 70s / early 80s is a Music Man strap, logo a little worn but still clearly visible. Narrow section (threaded though the wider section at one end) has been trimmed a couple of inches I am afraid. If any of you MM nuts wants it I'll swap it for another usable strap. ficelles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='ficelles' post='1260556' date='Jun 8 2011, 12:00 AM']Actually I would. I am almost entirely without fear and have an over-developed sense of justice. Of course I do get my ass kicked quite regularly. ficelles[/quote] my point exactly... if you start in a belligerant manner you stand a good chance of being answered the same way or escalating. be cool, and you will be listened more attentively and you'll generally get more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='ficelles' post='1260568' date='Jun 8 2011, 12:20 AM']Now this is an amusing diversion, I've just realised that the old 3" leather strap I have had kicking around since the late 70s / early 80s is a Music Man strap, logo a little worn but still clearly visible. Narrow section (threaded though the wider section at one end) has been trimmed a couple of inches I am afraid. If any of you MM nuts wants it I'll swap it for another usable strap. ficelles[/quote] just get the bass to match it! actually, I saw recently selling some of those straps for nearly £100 crazy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ficelles Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='mcnach' post='1260598' date='Jun 8 2011, 01:01 AM']just get the bass to match it! [/quote] I'm fine with my uprights and my Jazz defret thanks. [quote name='mcnach' post='1260598' date='Jun 8 2011, 01:01 AM']actually, I saw recently selling some of those straps for nearly £100 crazy...[/quote] £100 for an old strap? I am fascinated as to why MM gear has this kind of attraction, would an old Fender strap go for that much? ficelles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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